keris java

[semar]

ho can help me with this kind of dapur

regards semar

[kronckew]

nice wiggly blade. ;)

Wiggle (https://kronckew.id1945.com/wiggle.wav)

[Jean]

Hello Semar,
From the pics and although they are small it seems to me that the sogokan was carved more recently than the blade itself (black color and uneven shape). What do you think?
Regards

[semar]

when i know something about this blad but one thing i dont belive that the sogokan is carved recentley but thats what i think because the uneven shape

regards semar

[Jean]

Nobody interested in this subject?
Semar, what strikes me in the sogokans of your blade is that they are straight and don't look harmonious, rather than following the curve of the first luk, see a similar blade with 11 luk and 2 other detailed pics showing what I mean. I cannot identify the dapur as I don't know if the sogokans are original or not.
Regards

[David]

Semar, what strikes me in the sogokans of your blade is that they are straight and don't look harmonious, rather than following the curve of the first luk, see a similar blade with 11 luk and 2 other detailed pics showing what I mean.
Well, the images aren't really large enough for be to come to any real conclusion on your theory on this blade Jean. The lack of harmonious flow is not unusual in keris, only a sign of a less adept blade smith. I have seen countless numbers of keris with sogokan that fall far short of ideal perfection for that form, but that doesn't necessarily mean the sogokan were carved at a later date, just that they weren't carved well at the time. The examples you are posting are just better keris. :)

[A. G. Maisey]

Jean, the vast bulk of all keris made since, say, the 1600's, are very ordinary keris.

Why?

Because ordinary people cannot afford to pay for the services of competent artists.

Most keris in existence do not come within a bull's roar of observing the parameters that make even a halfway decent keris.

Semar's keris is original and worn. Look at the kruwingan.

What would this keris have had to look like before sogokan were cut to have kruwingan like this?

Further, why would anybody want to cut sogokan into an old, very ordinary blade?

Semar, it might be possible to match this blade to something listed in a pakem, but it is far more likely that it does not follow any set down dhapur, the reasons being the same that I have mentioned above.

In respect of tangguh, many half-educated people would give this blade as either Pengging or Pajang, it is neither.

[Jean]

Thank you David and Alan :)

[semar]

Thank you guys for your commend
i hoop for penggi because the looks

semar