[Identification] Axe or Knife?

[fireiceviper]

Can anyone identify the origin of this weapon? purchased here in the Netherlands. It looks Asian to me and others I've shown it too but still can't figure out what culture, or anything actually... :confused:

It came from a dutch museum, who labeled it "african ?" when they acquired it as a gift from missionaries.

Any help would be appreciated!

[fireiceviper]

yesterday i contacted Mr. Burgess from www.billhooks.co.uk after a comment (on facebook ) that it could be a pruning knive. He contacted me today with the following link



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So its solved! also someone showed me a topic on this very forum!

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2905

[VANDOO]

I HAVE SOMETHING SIMULAR THAT I HAD POSTED IN THE NAGA POST IN THE FORUM. IT LOOKS MUCH LIKE THESE EXAMPLES BUT IS MORE CRUDELY MADE.
HERE IS A PICTURE OF MY ITEM FOR COMPARASON.

[Oriental-Arms]

Another exemplar

Mr. Philip Hartmann from the Netherlands suggested me that it is a chopper from Bali- Indonesia used in burial ceremonies

[A. G. Maisey]

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

[Sajen]

The item shown in post #1 is Javanese. I'm uncertain of exactly where in Jawa, I'm inclined to think Central Jawa, but it could equally be either North Coast or East Jawa. I do not think it is from Madura.

It could be called a kudi, a bendho or a lukeh, depending on who was doing the naming.

Hello Alan,

do you know if it was used as weapon, agricultural tool or as ceremonial knife?

Regards,
Detlef

[A. G. Maisey]

The one shown seems to be far too good a quality to be a tool.

In the Radyapustaka Museum in Solo there are more than a few examples of things that we think of as tools now, but which were clearly weapons in the past. Javanese society is a rural society, and a lot of Javanese weapons have a tool form.

I think we can forget ceremonial use.

[Sajen]

Thank you for your educated statement.

Regards,
Detlef

[fireiceviper]

The ones in the volkenkunde museum are all labeled "kapmes" though which roughly translates to "machete".

But i also agree its a lot of work for a simple machete...