POWDER HORNS FOR COMMENT

[BANDOOK]

A PAIR OF SCRIMSHAW WORKED BULLOCK HORNS OF A CLASSICAL COUPLE
THE MILITARY GENT IN UNIFORM,A FRENCH INSCRIPTION TO THE RIBBON BELOW,THE OTHER WITH HIS PARTNER,A CROWN BELOW WITHIN A VINE FRAMED CARTOUCHE
REGARDS RAJESH

[Rick]

Dieu et Mon Droit ?

[Andreas]

Dieu et mon Droit, and a British Crown, so probably the young Queen Victoria and Prince Albert, early 1840s.
Andreas

[BANDOOK]

THANKS ANDREAS FOR THE INFORMATION,CHEERS

[Battara]

I think you may also get more feedback in the European forum, especially since this regards European arms.

I'll move it there for you.

[BANDOOK]

THANKS BATTARA,THATS RIGHT REGARDS RAJESH

[Fernando K]

hello

The title of the post says "powder horns". Do not warn any means to close or open

Affectionately. Fernando K

[BANDOOK]

HI FERNANDO CAN YOU SEE AND READ MY POST ,IT WAS ORGINALLY POSTED ON THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BUT THEN TRANSFERRED TO EUROPEAN ARMOURY BY BATTARA, AS THESE POWDER HORNS WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE AND GET BETTER FEEDBACK IN HERE,CHEERS RAJESH

[Andreas]

HI FERNANDO CAN YOU SEE AND READ MY POST ,IT WAS ORGINALLY POSTED ON THE ETHINOGRAPHIC FORUM BUT THEN TRANSFERRED TO EUROPEAN ARMOURY BY BATTARA, AS THESE POWDER HORNS WOULD HAVE ORIGINATED IN EUROPE AND GET BETTER FEEDBACK IN HERE,CHEERS RAJESH
I think Fernando refers to the absence of a spout on the horns.

[fernando]

I think Fernando refers to the absence of a spout on the horns.
Precisely.

[BANDOOK]

THATS RIGHT AMIGO FERNANDO
ITS A BULLOCK HORN SCRIMSHAW ,ANY INFORMATION IS WELCOME,MUCHO GRACIAS RAJESH

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams all...but if it has no spout then its not a powder horn....I typed into web search yahoo European scrimshaw powder horns and all the horns for powder use had spouts...as already mentioned... So we have here scrimshaw but not for gunpowder. Is this a contender for the Miscellaneous section?
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[M ELEY]

Besides inscribed powder horns, I seen hunting horns (as in fox hunts, etc) with scrimshaw decorations. Again, no open end, so not a trumpeter either...

[fernando]

... So we have here scrimshaw but not for gunpowder. Is this a contender for the Miscellaneous section? ...
Apparently Rajesh doesn't oppose the assumption that there is no spout for a powder horn ... this being 'simply' a horn.
Let's move it then.

[BANDOOK]

THANKS FERNANDO SO ITS A SCRIMSHAW HORN I ASSUME OF 1850s PERIOD ,cheers

[JamesKelly]

With respect, the faces look like 20th century people

The horns look Mexican

Generally the execution of the scrimshaw looks modern to me.

This is one reason I do not collect horns. I used to make them, and have enjoyed looking at other's work

It is not uncommon for people to make horns/powder horns/whatever here in the USA, for the last half century.

Sorry.

[Rick]

Unusual subject matter to have been made in either Mexico or the US and wind up on the other side of the world in a former British colony .

[JamesKelly]

In the US horns imported from Mexico are used for scrimshaw or powder horns. One might suspect such horns are broadly available worldwide.

Whatever the cow, these items, in my considered opinion, are 20th century at the earliest.

[BANDOOK]

THANKS FOR ALL INFORMATION SO FROM MEXICO TO NEW ZEALAND,WOW LONG JOURNEY,THESE REALLY LOOK OLD AND AMAZING PATINA,BUT SEEMS BY RECENT COMMENTS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE YESTERDAY ,ASSUME A MYSTERY???

[Pukka Bundook]

Yes, I believe these are recently made.
The scrimshaw is not of the type normally produced in the 19th century.
add to this the fact that they have not been finished into a useful article, either blowing horn or powder horn and all we can come up with is modern manufacture.
Mexican horns find their way all over, as many countries do not now have livestock with usable horns, so they may even have been made in your own country. Art-work decidedly modern.

Best wishes,
Richard.