persian tabar and mace comment please

[weapons 27]

Persian Tabar and mace
I just bought this set on a show of arms sales
could you tell me the age of these two weapons I think 19 th?
I think Persian or Turkish?
the mace is made of metal with designs engraved gold it measures 64 cm long.
the tabar is 59cm long, the handle is made of wood with a decorated metal part gold
the axe is 15cm long x 8.5 cm wide

[BANDOOK]

THATS BEAUTIFUL STILL SHOWING THE GOLD DESIGNS,GOOD BUYING

[weapons 27]

no answer on the origin and age of these two weapons?

[Kubur]

Hi
They look very good, nice quality.
But I'm very suspicious about this matching pair...
I think that they were produced for the orientalist tourist market,
let's say very end of 19th or beginning of 20th c.
For the origin, I would say India.
Best,
Kubur

[weapons 27]

Hi
They look very good, nice quality.
But I'm very suspicious about this matching pair...
I think that they were produced for the orientalist tourist market,
let's say very end of 19th or beginning of 20th c.
For the origin, I would say India.
Best,
Kubur
thank kubur
It would be quajar period

[estcrh]

Hi
They look very good, nice quality.
But I'm very suspicious about this matching pair...

I do not think they are matching, just a close match.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

no answer on the origin and age of these two weapons?


Salaams weapons 27.... I dug up an amazing load of stuff on the axe in particular...There is also some mace stuff on the same site ...

Quote"Axes are a rather more straightforward subject. The Arabic word fas, derived from the Akkadian is the generic term for the axe though it was rarely if ever used to designate a war-axe. The two terms commonly used for a war-axe were tabarztn and tabar, both of which are of Persian origin.

It is generally believed that the tabarztn represented a light, short-hafted, small-bladed cavalry war-axe somewhat similar to the seventeenth and eighteenth century Safawid tabarztns. The supposed literal meaning of the term tabarztn as 'saddle-axe' (see below) has largely
influenced this interpretation. Conversely, the tabar is commonly considered as a large, long- hafted, heavy-bladed war-axe. These definitions will be reconsidered here.

There is considerable evidence to show that the terms tabarztn and tabar did not denote specific types of war-axes but were generically used for a war-axe in two different periods. The term tabarztn, which no doubt represents the genuine word for the war-axe, prevailed from the Sassanian period until the end of the fourth/tenth century. At the end of the fifth/eleventh or the
beginning of the sixth/twelfth century the term tabar, which simply means axe, assumed the meaning of a war-axe and predominated from the second half of the sixth/twelfth century onwards". Unquote.

For the Full Monty please see~ http://archive.org/stream/CloseCombatWeaponsInTheEarlyAbbasidPeriod-/CloseCombatWeaponsInTheEarlyAbbasidPeriod_djvu.txt

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.