Shamshir or pulvar?

[mahratt]

Colleagues, I ask everyone to express their opinion as to name an item on the photos:

[Iain]

Pulwar.

[Kurt]

Pulwar.
Pulowar Hilt.
Schamshir blade.

Kurt

[mahratt]

Pulowar Hilt.
Schamshir blade.

Kurt


Of course, Kurt. But if this item is called a single word, he - Shamshir or Pulvar?

[Kubur]

The hilt is the ID of the user so I would say Pulwar....

[estcrh]

The hilt is the ID of the user so I would say Pulwar....

I agree, this combination of blade and hilt was ment to be a pulwar.

[Gavin Nugent]

Indeed, this is a Pulwar. The blade types are found in a vast region through trade yet the hilt is ethnically chosen from the region which in my opinion should call this a Pulwar

[ariel]

As per Stone's Glossary, it is a Pulwar.

As per Elgood's Glossary ( see his book on Indian weapons), and Oliver Pinchot's book Weapons of the Paladins, Pulwar is a mis-transcribed Tulwar, so it is a figment of European imagination:-)

As per info from my informants from the Western Pakistan ( Pakhtunkhwa, populated by ethnic Afghanis), nobody there knows the word Pulwar: for them it is a Shamshir.

Sometimes, words and names acquire their own life: we make "Xerox copies" using HP, Brother and Canon copiers:-)

In this particular case, the word Pulwar will convey maximum information for a Westerner, despite a very dubious connection with the true native tradition.

So, gentlemen, as barmen say, choose your poison:-)

If we want quick and easy lingo, it is, undoubtedly, a Pulwar.
If we are writing a catalog description for a major museum, it may be something like " an Afghani saber with a Persian shamshir blade and a handle stemming from old Deccani examples" This should be followed by a 5-page long dissertation citing multiple references and reconciling conflicting opinions

Ain't life a bitch?

:-)

[spiral]

Ain't life a bitch?

:-)


Yep! it is...No doubt...;)

Very concise breakdown of the literature Ariel. :D

[mahratt]

As per Stone's Glossary, it is a Pulwar.

As per Elgood's Glossary ( see his book on Indian weapons), and Oliver Pinchot's book Weapons of the Paladins, Pulwar is a mis-transcribed Tulwar, so it is a figment of European imagination:-)

As per info from my informants from the Western Pakistan ( Pakhtunkhwa, populated by ethnic Afghanis), nobody there knows the word Pulwar: for them it is a Shamshir.

In this particular case, the word Pulwar will convey maximum information for a Westerner, despite a very dubious connection with the true native tradition.

If we want quick and easy lingo, it is, undoubtedly, a Pulwar.
If we are writing a catalog description for a major museum, it may be something like " an Afghani saber with a Persian shamshir blade and a handle stemming from old Deccani examples" This should be followed by a 5-page long dissertation citing multiple references and reconciling conflicting opinions



I apologize for my English. Thank you all for the views expressed.

Gavin, thank you for opinion. I totally agree with you.

Ariel, I did not ask to write the story of the origin of the handles of swords in Afghanistan. I asked a specific question.

And what's the difference, as in Afghanistan called saber? This is interesting from the point of view of ethnography. Nothing more. In modern literature there is a specific term "Pulvar." And those who are associated with oriental weapon it is clear that we are talking about afghan sabre.

[ariel]

Well, if you are satisfied with a simple answer, if it does not bother you that the very word Pulwar might be a spelling error and that native Afghanis might not even know what Pulwar is, that's fine with me.


In this case it is a Pulwar, as I already said:-)

Does it answer your question now?

[mahratt]

We always learn something new about the Afghan weapons. A year ago, no one knew that in some parts of Afghanistan, the Khyber knife called "seelava" and lohar - "Daas". Therefore, the word Pulwar might be a spelling error. But maybe we just did not find the information that somewhere in Afghanistan so called saber.

But most importantly, as I wrote earlier, the literature has long adopted the term "pulvar."

Therefore, your answer:


In this case it is a Pulwar


I am satisfied.

[A.alnakkas]

Interesting blade. Was it etched?

[mahratt]

wootz blade

[spiral]

I am satisfied.

Cool! I wonder is that the same as happy? ;)


happy link.. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM)

[mahratt]

Cool! I wonder is that the same as happy? ;)


happy link.. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6Sxv-sUYtM)


Hello, spiral :)

This Pulvar my friend. And he - satisfied and happy)))