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Miles82
15th July 2014, 02:33 PM
hi! do you know something about this helmet? the datation, the type etc?
A Senefelder
15th July 2014, 05:58 PM
Some pictures of the inside would be helpful in figuring this helmet out. Based on the little that can be gathered from the pics i'd say that this is unfinished whatever it is. It has the lines vaguely of a burgonet. It does not appear to have had the necessary small notch made nor the rivet holes for mounting the hinges that would affix the cheek plates. I can only make out two smallish paired flat headed rivets near the browline of the right hand front side which are not appropriate for holding in an entire liner and the helmet from what I can see has no other rivet holes for attaching one. There is a decent sized ding missing from the comb which gives the appearance of it being very thick. Do you know how much this weights? The comb appears from the profile picture to run all the way down the back of the helmet to its terminus at the neck which is an bit of an odd feature. Some crisp pics of the inside would be of some help.
Miles82
15th July 2014, 06:09 PM
other 2 pics... yes it's thick
Miles82
15th July 2014, 06:20 PM
other 2 pics...yes it si thicker
Miles82
15th July 2014, 06:45 PM
other 2 pics.. yes it si thicker
Timo Nieminen
16th July 2014, 02:09 AM
My first thought was "fireman's helmet". The crest and deep neckguard are common features on them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fire_helmets_HallFlame.JPG
Modern infantry helmets don't have deep neckguards, since they'd get in the way when lying down. Doesn't look look like a pre-modern military helmet to me.
Miles82
16th July 2014, 06:19 AM
but i don't have find anything looks like firearms helmet too
kronckew
16th July 2014, 09:11 AM
reminds me of a french taunting helmet.
Miles82
16th July 2014, 10:02 AM
the helmet is from southern france
Miles82
16th July 2014, 11:19 AM
it si from southern france
Miles82, Please allow time for your posts to be moderated. Making double or triple postings of the same information is not necessary.
Best,
Robert
A Senefelder
16th July 2014, 12:43 PM
My first thought was "fireman's helmet".
This certainly can't be ruled out as especially in 19th century European examples there were some with deep backs and the variety of large, usually attached crests/ridges in the center often went most of the way down the back neckline. A few thought on that, 1) the crest/medial ridge, in most all early fireman's helmets I've seen this is a separate attached piece rather, 2) construction, many were made of leather but when made of metal were often of brass.
The inside pics are bit light an fuzzy so I can't be certain but it doesn't appear on either end ( front or back ) of the medial ridge that the helmet is welded in two halves, but there are some marks/spot in the peak of the ridge, one of which seems to correspond to external damage to the ridge that appear due to the fuzzy character of the pic as if they might be welding. Is the helmet welded along the peak of the medial ridge or is this from damage to the medial ridge? The internal pics aren't showing me any evidence that this helmet was ever set up to hold a liner, if this were a fireman's helmet, at least a finished one it would have one.
Would it be possible to get something approximating a real weight in pounds/kilograms? There's a big difference between a 2 pound helmet and a 7-8 pound helmet and what they may have been meant for ( i'm thinking in terms of field weight vs. siege weight ala 16/17th century armour ).
Miles82
16th July 2014, 01:00 PM
it is from southern France..it is damaged..it is welded to the medial ridge
A Senefelder
16th July 2014, 09:10 PM
it is damaged..it is welded to the medial ridge
Are the welds applied only to the damaged areas or along the entire inside length of the medial ridge?
Miles82
17th July 2014, 07:02 AM
seems to be in the entire ridge
A Senefelder
17th July 2014, 11:50 AM
seems to be in the entire ridge
Well that would tend to point to later 19th or 20 century in terms of dating. Perhaps it was intended to be some sort of fire helmet after all. It still has an " unfinished " feel to me as if it was never taken to completion with a helmet liner ect, but that's pure speculation on my part.
Jim McDougall
15th August 2014, 07:28 PM
reminds me of a french taunting helmet.
Who are this bunch of merry men?
Gustav
15th August 2014, 08:07 PM
Jim, is it really so that you didn't know one of the most splendid movies about the Middle Ages? :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGXx56WqqJw
Gustav
15th August 2014, 08:56 PM
Same movie, other type of helmet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Hz1KhN8u8
kronckew
15th August 2014, 09:44 PM
i especially recommend the english cavalry mounts and accoutrements for their historical accuracy and the astounding detail, as well as the obvious extent of the training and physical conditioning required for the period accurate battle scenes. the detail on the holy hand grenade of ntioch is amazing. one of the greatest historical arms and armour movies of all time.
Oliver Pinchot
16th August 2014, 06:08 PM
James, is it possible that after lo, these many years, you've never heard the Sacred Word??
Andrew
17th August 2014, 12:40 AM
Please don't, Oliver. Or you may be compelled to find a shrubbery... :D
Oliver Pinchot
17th August 2014, 06:40 AM
Something tasteful... not too expensive
Jim McDougall
19th August 2014, 04:32 AM
OK you band of merry hysterical movie buffs!!! Yes Oliver, it is all coming back to me!!! the sacred words....the shrubbery, and of course those trusty English steeds into battle!!!:)
These classics never get old!
drac2k
19th August 2014, 06:16 PM
While "in Search of the Holy Grail," is a great movie, I prefer "Jabberwocky."
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