View Full Version : Another pair of silver handled moro krises
DaveS
30th March 2014, 03:04 AM
Here for viewing is another pair of silver handled krises. The straight bladed kris has a 23 inch laminated blade, 27 inches overall with alternating bands of twisted silver wire and plain silver bands. The bottom kris has silver bands with hemp wrap in between. 22 inch 17 wave laminated blade, 26 inches overall. Neither kris has a scabbard. Slight denting on end of each pommel.............Dave.
cicak_cobing
30th March 2014, 08:24 AM
these are also commonly known as sundang..
fantastic collection you've got there.. :)
Sajen
2nd April 2014, 09:35 PM
Nice couple Dave! :)
DaveS
2nd April 2014, 10:29 PM
Thanks guys.......Dave.
David
2nd April 2014, 11:10 PM
these are also commonly known as sundang..
fantastic collection you've got there.. :)
The question becomes "commonly known" where. In Malaysia i would say you are probably correct, but these are not Malaysian examples of this sword form. These are the Moro variety from the Philippines. Depending on which tribe affiliation the blade originates from there are even varying names there and within each tribe names vary by the exact form the blade takes (straight, wavy, half & half) as well. Federico's Moro Sword site has a breakdown by tribe and blade type which could probably be debated by some, but still illustrates the problem in referring to all these swords as "sundang".
http://home.earthlink.net/~federicomalibago/weaponsmain.html
To add to the confusion "sundang" is also a common term for a type of bolo knife in certain parts of the Philippines. So i would say that it is probably best in general to only refer to the kris swords of Indonesian origin as "sundang" and probably safest, at least in the collecting community to say the these swords are indeed, most generally, commonly know as "kris". :shrug: :)
David
2nd April 2014, 11:13 PM
Oh yes, and nice examples Dave! :)
cicak_cobing
3rd April 2014, 12:32 PM
The question becomes "commonly known" where. In Malaysia i would say you are probably correct, but these are not Malaysian examples of this sword form. These are the Moro variety from the Philippines. Depending on which tribe affiliation the blade originates from there are even varying names there and within each tribe names vary by the exact form the blade takes (straight, wavy, half & half) as well. Federico's Moro Sword site has a breakdown by tribe and blade type which could probably be debated by some, but still illustrates the problem in referring to all these swords as "sundang".
http://home.earthlink.net/~federicomalibago/weaponsmain.html
To add to the confusion "sundang" is also a common term for a type of bolo knife in certain parts of the Philippines. So i would say that it is probably best in general to only refer to the kris swords of Indonesian origin as "sundang" and probably safest, at least in the collecting community to say the these swords are indeed, most generally, commonly know as "kris". :shrug: :)
agreed.. :D even in indonesia and malaysia, people do get confused sometimes with different terms although it may refer to the same thing..
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