Rencong Rentjong for comments

[russel]

This little gem is arguably the jewel in the Crown of my modest collection.

[kai]

Hello Russel,

Congrats, looks like a neat, small example!

The scabbard is a later, non-traditional replacement. The rencong looks genuine and antique: blade looks Gayo to me; the hilt is a bit odd (not sure wether it got shortened/modified to repair a damage). Could you post close-ups of the tip of the pommel as well as upper and lower views of the bolster/base of grip area, please?

Regards,
Kai

[Sajen]

Hello Russel,

very nice piece. Love the nice patinated ivory hilt. I think the scabbard is a later replacement. Can you please post dimensions?

Regards,

Detlef

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

It's a small one - check the inch ruler on the first pic.

Regards,
Kai

[Sajen]

Hello Detlef,

It's a small one - check the inch ruler on the first pic.

Regards,
Kai


Hello Kai,

maybe I wasn't awakened really, later I have seen it. :D

Regards,

Detlef

[russel]

Thanks for the comments guys.

I had always suspected that the scabbard was a later addition. Yes it is small: 8 3/4 inches overall, blade a fraction over 5 inches.

Here are additional images as requested.

[Battara]

I too think it would be considered as being gayo.

[russel]

Please forgive my ignorance, but may I ask what GAYO means?

[Maurice]

Gayo is an area in North Sumatra, where one of the bloodiest wars took place against the Dutch.

Have a look at this thread. I've had a similar, of which the handle was made of hippo ivory.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12088

Maurice

[Sajen]

Hello Russel,

I think your hilt is from elephant ivory.

Best regards,

Detlef

[Sajen]

...... the hilt is a bit odd (not sure wether it got shortened/modified to repair a damage). Could you post close-ups of the tip of the pommel as well as upper and lower views of the bolster/base of grip area, please?


Hello Kai,

when I look to the other pictures Russel have posted and the rentjong from Chregu in the link Maurice have posted it seems to my eyes that both hilts are very similar, what you think?

Regards,

Detlef

[Jonno]

The original area is Gayo or Gajo, like notes above. The scabbard looks modern to me.

Still nice piece.

Best,
John


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[kai]

Hello Maurice,

Gayo is an area in North Sumatra,
where one of the bloodiest wars took place against the Dutch.
While I usually tend to agree with you, I'd posit that it actually was the other way around... :eek: :rolleyes: :(

Have a look at this thread. I've had a similar, of which the handle was made of hippo ivory.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12088
Your "ex" is also special with that quite strongly curved hilt!

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Hello Detlef,

Yup, elephant ivory (Schreger lines).


when I look to the other pictures Russel have posted and the rentjong from Chregu in the link Maurice have posted it seems to my eyes that both hilts are very similar, what you think?
Yes, they are really close - they are apparently a simplified variant of hulu puntung/gerepung hilt (without the usual kink/bend and no added carvings to the pommel end). I agree that both ivory hilts appear to be genuine antique examples (the fit between the bolster and the base of the hilt seems better in Chregu's piece).

I asked for the additional pics since one has to be very cautious with Sumatran pieces these days: quite a few antique blades get pimped up with new ivory fittings.

Regards,
Kai

[kai]

Here are additional images as requested.
Thanks, Russel!

Regards,
Kai

[Maurice]

Hello Maurice,


While I usually tend to agree with you, I'd posit that it actually was the other way around... :eek: :rolleyes: :(




Hello Kai,

Yes you're absolutely right about that.
I wrote it down wrong looking it at that way!

Regards,
Maurice

[asomotif]

blade looks Gayo to me; the hilt is a bit odd (not sure wether it got shortened/modified to repair a damage).

Hello Kai,
Can you explain why you think the blade is gayo.

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

The original area is Gayo or Gajo, like notes above. The scabbard looks modern to me.
Still nice piece.
Best,
John


Hello John,

Why do you classify this rentjong as Gayo ?

Best regards,
Willem

[kai]

Sorry, glossed over your request, Willem!

I am still in the process of identifying/verifying indicators of origin and/or style/age/etc. for rencong; in many cases it's only a guestimate...

This blade looks Gayo to me because of its stout proportions; Albert puts it like this in his book: "Blades from Gayo have a somewhat less elegant line. They are a little straighter and more pointed." (AvZ, 2001)

Also Gayo rencong seem to utilize ivory more often than in Aceh; in Aceh horn hilts seem to be favored except for rare akar bahar pieces and some ivory hulu puntung with detailed carving.

Regards,
Kai

[asomotif]

This blade looks Gayo to me because of its stout proportions; Albert puts it like this in his book: "Blades from Gayo have a somewhat less elegant line. They are a little straighter and more pointed." (AvZ, 2001)

Also Gayo rencong seem to utilize ivory more often than in Aceh; in Aceh horn hilts seem to be favored except for rare akar bahar pieces and some ivory hulu puntung with detailed carving.

Regards,
Kai

Hello Kai,

So it is a combination of blade and hilt on which you base the Gayo origin.


Imho most Gayo pieces we know are not only of stout proportions, but also of stout dimensions. this pieces is under 10 inches (ca.25 cms) overall length. Very small for a rencong even atjeh rencong.

Best regards,
Willem

[Jonno]

The hilt looks Gajo to me. The origine of the blade looks Atjeh.
(many blades where forged in Atjeh and exported)
The blades forged from Gaja looks more strait and are poor forged.

Anyway, it's not 100 % Atjeh or Gajo item.
The scabbed is modern and not original. (Makes identification more difficult)

Ivory was rearly used in Atjeh, you see them only in a few kind of weapons, like the Siwaïh, 2 kinds of rentjongs / rencongs and the sikin peuangan.
In Gajo you see much ivory on hilt and scabbards.

[russel]

Thanks for all the great information guys. A few more questions.

Any ideas about age? If the handle (hulu?) is a replacement, is it contemporary with the blade or of later manufacture?

Is it's small scale of any significance? It is certainly quite concealable.

Would it have been an item of quality at the time of manufacture, or were blades and hilts like this commonplace?

Thanks again for all the fantastic information.

[asomotif]

Ivory was rearly used in Atjeh, you see them only in a few kind of weapons, like the Siwaïh, 2 kinds of rentjongs / rencongs and the sikin peuangan.


John,
ivory rentjong in Atjeh, are these the 2 variations you mean :)

[Maurice]

John,
ivory rentjong in Atjeh, are these the 2 variations you mean :)

What a beauties Willem!
My feeling is that both are Atjeh types.
Have you checked Fisher?

Maurice

[asomotif]

What a beauties Willem!
My feeling is that both are Atjeh types.
Have you checked Fisher?
Maurice

Hello Maurice,
I did not check Fisher yet, but Imho these are both Atjeh.

But as John mentions specifically 2 type of rencong with ivory hilts, I just wanted to check if this is what he means.

Best regards,
Willem

[Jonno]

Hi Willem,
Yes, this kind.
There are a few more variations.

Btw, nice pieces.

[Adriboy]

thanks for all information about our traditional weapon