two knifes for id

[weapons 27]

Hello to all
can you give me the origin of these two knives
the largest measuring 33 cm long, blade 18 cm
There is a marking on the blade rest
the handle is in ivory

the small measuring 24.5 cm long, the blade 13 cm
a marking on the blade
the handle is in ivory
the scabbard is made of leather with drawings

[weapons 27]

the small knife

[David]

We have had a thread on these knives sometime in the past year. Not sure if the origins were definitely decided. Anyone have the link?

[Blacksmith]

My guess is that these are from Tibet. I saw the same type of knives on the border area between Nepal and Tibet when I was trawelling there on 2007.
Regards, Timo

[katana]

We have had a thread on these knives sometime in the past year. Not sure if the origins were definitely decided. Anyone have the link?


It may be this thread ....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5314

Kind Regards David

[Atlantia]

Hmmm, I've seen several attributions for these knives. All with some merit. But I've never seen one with a scabbard, until now.
The scabbard on this example reminds me of some Khodmi scabbards.

[David]

It may be this thread ....

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5314

Kind Regards David
That's one of them, but i think there was also a thread just on the knife in that thread that is like the ones in this thread...

[kronckew]

that might be this one: Thread link (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14832&page=1&pp=30&highlight=khodmi)

do a search on 'khodmi', there are more threads with this style. on this particular knife style the opinions vary from scandanavia to north africa, and to tibet and burma on the other side. it might even BE a khodmi. or not.

i'd be safe to say it is probably NOT n. or s. american. :)

the red dotted circle motif seems to be universal, or worldwide.

[Atlantia]

These have started to turn up regularly over the last year or two. They clearly represent a specific type and not just a couple of atypical anomalies.
I was leaning toward the Burmese attribution as proposed by Jonathan (Spiral) and others.
But I would have expected a 'more Burmese' scabbard if that was the case :shrug:

As I said above, the scabbard on it's own would make me think Algeria/North Africa.
The stepped bolsters also remind me of the Khodmi.
Here are a couple of pictures of a Khodmi of mine to show where my meandering thought process is headed.
Sorry it's still in the 'to be cleaned' group!

P.S. This Khodmi is dated 1929.

[David]

that might be this one: Thread link (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14832&page=1&pp=30&highlight=khodmi)

do a search on 'khodmi', there are more threads with this style. on this particular knife style the opinions vary from scandanavia to north africa, and to tibet and burma on the other side. it might even BE a khodmi. or not.

i'd be safe to say it is probably NOT n. or s. american. :)

the red dotted circle motif seems to be universal, or worldwide.
Bingo! That's the thread i was thinking of. Thanks Kronckew. :)

[chregu]

hello together
this topic is still relevant. smile
I am also not yet progressed, my feeling still says Central Asia.
here's a link

http://vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11216

greeting Chregu

[Atlantia]

Just found this one trawling the net for pictures:

[Richard G]

Anthony Tirri in his "Islamic and Native Weapons of Colonial Africa" has this down as Maure, which I think is just a French spelling of Moor. Basically it is the Arab\Berber population of the western Mahgreb\Sahel\Sahara.
Best wishes
Richard

[Atlantia]

Anthony Tirri in his "Islamic and Native Weapons of Colonial Africa" has this down as Maure, which I think is just a French spelling of Moor. Basically it is the Arab\Berber population of the western Mahgreb\Sahel\Sahara.
Best wishes
Richard

The Berber connection would certainly explain the similarities to the Khodmi.

[hastubbs]

hi,

i recently got two of these on eBay. the seller seemed to think they were from Assam.

rather mysterious given all teh comments.

cheers,
skip

[katana]

We have had discussions on a number of knives and a Ram Dao with similar markings . This Ram Dao is attributed to Assam notice the markings on the blade .....click the appropriate pic to enlarge..

Regards David