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Cerjak
6th January 2013, 07:10 PM
I would like to have opinion about this dagger . It look like to be from the XVI Century but I 'm not expert in those weapons..
I seems it could be used as a tool to repair armor or flintlock because of the small hammer and a kind of screwdriver you could see each side from the guard.
What do you think about this explanation ?
I hope that somebody already seen similar dagger.
Any comment will be welcome.
Cerjak
Atlantia
6th January 2013, 07:18 PM
Hi Cerjak,
It seems to have began life as a rapier and been modified to a dagger.
Interesting piece, I agree about the tool mod's on the guard. Almost like a modern survival knife!
Cerjak
7th January 2013, 06:18 PM
Hi Cerjak,
It seems to have began life as a rapier and been modified to a dagger.
Interesting piece, I agree about the tool mod's on the guard. Almost like a modern survival knife!
Hi Atlantia
Many Thank for your comment .
Do you think it could be from the16 th century ?
Kind regards
Cerjak
Atlantia
7th January 2013, 09:50 PM
Hi Atlantia
Many Thank for your comment .
Do you think it could be from the16 th century ?
Kind regards
Cerjak
I'd have thought it was 17thC, but that's just my guess.
I've been thinking about the 'turnscrew' and 'hammer' and I wondered if it might be for maintaining a musket?
It's a very interesting item. I am suprised there hasn't been more comments.
Something of the rapier family. Google some images and you can see the various elements represented.
I haven't found them all in one but there are so many variations.
I'd guess some transitional rapier.
Obviously your's had a knuckle bow.
fernando
8th January 2013, 12:33 PM
... I've been thinking about the 'turnscrew' and 'hammer' and I wondered if it might be for maintaining a musket?...
Like those seen in plug bayonets, so called "flint-knapper" ...
(The plug bayonet by R. D. C. Evans)
.
fernando
8th January 2013, 12:43 PM
I'd have thought it was 17thC, but that's just my guess...
Oh, it sure is an early piece; and modified in the period ... perhaps from a broken blade, to be used as a belt weapon/tool by the the local (or) field smith.
... Obviously your's had a knuckle bow.
Are you referring to that spot in the pommel ? No too low for a knuckle guard fixation ?
Perhaps Jean-Luc can tell us if it really is a hole for a bar penetration ...
Atlantia
8th January 2013, 01:58 PM
Like those seen in plug bayonets, so called "flint-knapper" ...
(The plug bayonet by R. D. C. Evans)
.
Hi Nando,
Absolutely. Excellent pictoral examples! :)
Atlantia
8th January 2013, 02:04 PM
Oh, it sure is an early piece; and modified in the period ... perhaps from a broken blade, to be used as a belt weapon/tool by the the local (or) field smith.
Are you referring to that spot in the pommel ? No too low for a knuckle guard fixation ?
Perhaps Jean-Luc can tell us if it really is a hole for a bar penetration ...
Hi Nando,
There is a hole in the pommel which I can't see being for anything but a bar/knuckle-bow.
The position is OK, not too low.
Cerjak
8th January 2013, 03:21 PM
Oh, it sure is an early piece; and modified in the period ... perhaps from a broken blade, to be used as a belt weapon/tool by the the local (or) field smith.
Are you referring to that spot in the pommel ? No too low for a knuckle guard fixation ?
Perhaps Jean-Luc can tell us if it really is a hole for a bar penetration ...
Fernando,
I 'm agree the idea that it was a rapier as previously said by Atlantia
The dagger should be with me for the end of this week I Hope WEe never know with the post office( isn't it Fernando) :D
So ASAP I will post new pics .
Regards
Jean-Luc
BerberDagger
9th January 2013, 12:52 AM
Hi Jean Luc,
how are you ? happy 2013 !!!
nice dagger with a broke sword 15th century blade remounted in period for a dagger with a ghotic guard (probably early 15th century) , the pommel is not of the same period but of sure from a 18th century small sword rapier .
Nice dagger . Congratulation .
Berber Dagger
L.
p.s: if my eyes are ok blade is marked with passau wolf ?
fernando
9th January 2013, 12:32 PM
... p.s: if my eyes are ok blade is marked with passau wolf ? ...
Sharp (experienced) eye, Lorenzo ;)
I wouldn't have noticed it ... although it is there :o .
Cerjak
9th January 2013, 08:00 PM
Hi Jean Luc,
how are you ? happy 2013 !!!
nice dagger with a broke sword 15th century blade remounted in period for a dagger with a ghotic guard (probably early 15th century) , the pommel is not of the same period but of sure from a 18th century small sword rapier .
Nice dagger . Congratulation .
Berber Dagger
L.
p.s: if my eyes are ok blade is marked with passau wolf ?
Happy new year Lorenzo,
Thank you to bring me those good news ,it is the first time I bought a dagger and I was little afraid and Fernando who has seen the fisrt the pictures was positive about age ,so his good advice had push me to buy it.
I should receive it this week and will check if Ican see this Wolf and will post better pics.
Kind Regards
Cerjak
Cerjak
10th January 2013, 12:19 PM
here better pics
Cerjak
10th January 2013, 12:26 PM
mores pics
fernando
10th January 2013, 12:54 PM
Most certainly !
Pick yours in post #6
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5453
Cerjak
10th January 2013, 06:30 PM
Most certainly !
Pick yours in post #6
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5453
Hi Fernando
But which one it is ?
Cerjak
10th January 2013, 06:33 PM
more pics
Cerjak
10th January 2013, 06:34 PM
one more
BerberDagger
10th January 2013, 06:35 PM
no easy to tell , it is hard see from photos .... I m not sure is a passau wolf :cool:
I think a little restoration on the blade could show better the mark.
Best
L.
fernando
10th January 2013, 08:39 PM
... no easy to tell , it is hard see from photos .... I m not sure is a passau wolf ...
I don't know :o
If there are in this paper 16 different Passau Wolf recordings ... why aren't there any more ? Looks like every smith had his own interpretation of the wolf :shrug:
Cerjak
11th January 2013, 11:42 AM
no easy to tell , it is hard see from photos .... I m not sure is a passau wolf :cool:
I think a little restoration on the blade could show better the mark.
Best
L.
Lorenzo
I don't want to damage this old lady how and with what are you suggest me to restor it ?
regards
Cerjak
BerberDagger
11th January 2013, 03:24 PM
Hi Jean Luc,
yes of sure is important preserved it in the condition but a little restoration could be good on this exemple .... if you want i can help you abaut it .... you have my contacts let me known . best lorenzo
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