Gun Barrel ID

[rickystl]

This is a smooth bore pistol barrel. Does anyone know the markings on the barrel? Looks Greek to me. Thanks for any help. Rick.

[rickystl]

Thought I would move this up and give it another try? Thanks for any help. Rick.

[RDGAC]

I keep looking at this but every time I do, I find myself puzzled. I have to say that I don't think it looks like Greek (at least, not any Greek script I've ever seen - I wouldn't pretend even for a second that I have any ability in the language), or indeed Cyrillic.

Weirdly, the marks almost look more like the sort of talismanic stuff you normally see on swords and the like from Northern Africa, to my (untrained) eye at least. Perhaps a North African pistol barrel? :shrug:

Also, what's up with that little scab of metal toward the fore-end? It looks as if someone's been at it with a file.

Best,

Meredydd

[Lyubo_sr]

It certainly is not Cyrillic.
There are many markings imitating signs.
Shown in the third picture looks like somewhat of a probationary stamp of the third test trial of arms, Birmingham, placed untill 1904- see attachment.
I hope I was helpful.

[kahnjar1]

Hi Ricky,
I have thoroughly gone thru my Proof Mark reference books and can find no mark the same as those shown on the side of the barrel. The crossed maces?? look a bit like the marks used by the Birmingham Proof House in the UK but are NOT the same, so the origin remains a mystery. As to the marks on the top of the barrel, I have no idea at all. The script, if is IS actually script, is not familiar.
Sorry I can't be of more help.
Regards Stu

[rickystl]

OK. Thank you all for your input. This one is a real puzzle. Appreciate your efforts. Rick.

[Andreas]

Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/media/The_Crossed_Sceptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Dont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/media/The_Crossed_Sceptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas


Salaams Andreas ~ Thoroughly excellent reference thanks I enjoyed reading that...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi :shrug:

[kahnjar1]

Yes I agree they LOOK like, but are not IMHO. Proof marks do not vary in any way as they are an OFFICIAL item designed for a specific purpose.....gun barrel Proof, and the Brits take this VERY seriously, for a very good reason....safety.
StuDont know what the script is, or even if it is one, but the proof marks look like the British pre-1813 Kings Proof and View mark, see http://www.birminghamgunmuseum.com/media/The_Crossed_Sceptres_Mark.pdf
Regards,
Andreas

[Andreas]

Yes I agree they LOOK like, but are not IMHO. Proof marks do not vary in any way as they are an OFFICIAL item designed for a specific purpose.....gun barrel Proof, and the Brits take this VERY seriously, for a very good reason....safety.
Stu
A reasonable assumption, but it seems that there were variations within the basic design of these early crown over crossed sceptres marks, please check the pics below. In numismatics a similar situation is called a die variety, variations in a coin’s design that are attributed to the die from which the coin was struck.
Regards,
Andreas

[Andreas]

Salaams Andreas ~ Thoroughly excellent reference thanks I enjoyed reading that...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi :shrug:
Xerete Ibrahiim,
Thank you and I'm glad you found the article interesting.
Regards
Andreas

[kahnjar1]

Your point is taken re variances. My comments are based on three very notable authors who have researched world Proof Marks. They are W.W Greener, Mr Lee Kennett and Baron Engelhardt, all of whom have published works on the subject.
Regards Stuart
A reasonable assumption, but it seems that there were variations within the basic design of these early crown over crossed sceptres marks, please check the pics below. In numismatics a similar situation is called a die variety, variations in a coin’s design that are attributed to the die from which the coin was struck.
Regards,
Andreas