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weapons 27
19th July 2012, 12:58 PM
length of the iron axe 24 cm, width 25 cm, thickness to the thicker 5 mm

the axe with the advanced 36 cm length
total 2 m length

can you tell me if it is an axe of parade, and old .I think that the handle is not original, was also long has its origin?

thank

archer
19th July 2012, 11:06 PM
It's Likely Persian and from the Dervish. That would be my guess.

A.alnakkas
19th July 2012, 11:20 PM
Doubt this one belonged to a dervish. Most if not all dervishes follow the Islamic concept of zuhd (to forsake wealth and extravagance) abit to the extreme.

My guess is that this is a ceremonial piece, maybe qajar

Dom
20th July 2012, 02:13 AM
maybe qajarRamadan Karim my Bro. :D
- qajar ?? may be, but I doubt, coze they was very common to have any form of humans, or animals,
with at least some even very brief, mentions in Arabic
nothing of all that, also, could be more Indian at my point of view

à +

Dom

ps/ have a nice "suhur" :p

archer
20th July 2012, 03:33 PM
Here's a photo of Dervish double axes from Arms and Armor From Iran, by
Khorasani. They are of a higher quality being ornately engraved and more functionally constructed. Archer

Dom
20th July 2012, 04:20 PM
Hi "archer" ... well identified ;)
Lotfi thought was correct

à +

Dom

A.alnakkas
20th July 2012, 05:15 PM
Ramadhan kareem Dom!

I am not sure about the attribution of gold decorated qajar axes to dervish (which actually means faqir or poor person). Maybe the qajar items are modeled after faqir/darwish items but certainly the decoration is out of place.

Jim McDougall
20th July 2012, 07:05 PM
I agree with Lofti, it would be quite unseemly for a Darvish to be carrying such an ostentaciously appointed item. While this seems very much like a Qajar 'revival' type axe, would it not be equally possible for it to have been in Mughal court context? In any case, it seems that Haider mentioned that dual crescent heads were not used in battle, but were often used in court settings by guards (I do not have the reference handy).

On another possibility, could this be Bektashi ?, which was Darvish order within Ottoman sphere and closely associated with Janissaries.

ariel
20th July 2012, 11:03 PM
Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through.
My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

Timo Nieminen
21st July 2012, 04:11 AM
Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons.

Except for all the fighting axes that aren't made that way, which still managed to be practical weapons, like the Dane axe, bardiche, bullova, Bronze age Vietnamese axes, etc. Large 2-handed axes, especially, tend to be thin-bladed.

Tirri has a whole page of thin-bladed axes described as "war axes" (pg 333), followed by a few more pages with more thin-bladed battle-axes.

My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

Likely enough.

weapons 27
21st July 2012, 05:16 AM
Iron axe is similar to that which is pictured on the book islamic weapons page 231
Thank you all for your comments has

weapons 27

Timo Nieminen
21st July 2012, 06:01 AM
Pg 221? Yes, very much the same style. Except for the lack of the spike. Late 18th century, so early Qajar?

Gavin Nugent
21st July 2012, 06:59 AM
Whatever it is, it is not a fighting implement. Real fighting axes have heavy, triangle-configured, blades. Otherwise, they are totally useless as practical weapons. This one has a thin blade through and through.
My take: Qajar or even later, tourist item.

I'd suggest there are likely tourist ones out there but you can't dismiss the effectiveness of these items, they all have distal taper even in not very thick near the haft. In armour or not the purcussion is going to hurt or kill.

Orez Perski also shows numerous example of both thick and thin on pages 348-356 of Persian Arms and Armour.

Gav

weapons 27
21st July 2012, 07:43 AM
all is in three party, iron axe is well a hatchet page 221 of islamic weapons!!!