Tulwar Thoughts?

[LostDutchman]

Hi gang!

I picked this piece up recently. I am a coin dealer by trade and I bought it in an deal. I'm a novice when it comes to these... I have gotten mixed reviews at another forum. I just thought I'd toss it up here for a fresh review.

Thanks!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Hi gang!

I picked this piece up recently. I am a coin dealer by trade and I bought it in an deal. I'm a novice when it comes to these... I have gotten mixed reviews at another forum. I just thought I'd toss it up here for a fresh review.

Thanks!


Salaams LostDutchman ~ For a long set of details on various similar swords just type into search Tulvar. I see nothing wrong with this one...The Koftgari gold bladework is a bit worn perhaps and the blade is corroded but a little clean up would reveal a fair result... be very careful on cleaning the blade near the Koftgari or it will come off. As a coin dealer you will be aware of what materials to use in cleaning up the sword... lets see what it looks like after that...ya ! Welcome to the Forum !! :shrug:

afternote; have a look at~ http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=10400&highlight=indian+museums
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Rick]

Looks like a nice example of the form with true age . :shrug: :)
A picture of the cartouche on the blade may tell us all something .

[Atlantia]

we've been discussing this one... 'elsewhere' and there seems to me to be wootz under that rust and dirt.

P.S. Welcome the the forums Matt.

ATB
Gene

[Atlantia]

Matt, show those latest pics here. They are showing the blade activity very much better than my enhanced version of your previous pic does.

[LostDutchman]

Here are the newer blade shots.

[eric45]

Nice sword.
Erich

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Hi gang!

I picked this piece up recently. I am a coin dealer by trade and I bought it in an deal. I'm a novice when it comes to these... I have gotten mixed reviews at another forum. I just thought I'd toss it up here for a fresh review.

Thanks!


Salaams~ It looks like wootz. Please also see http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15495 for a grand tour of a huge collection of Indian Swords...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[LostDutchman]

Once again, Novice question...

Are we able to establish a time period when this piece would have been made by what I have shown?

[Atlantia]

Once again, Novice question...

Are we able to establish a time period when this piece would have been made by what I have shown?

It's a really nice sword Matt.
I'd shove it into the later 18th century. But let's see what others think?

[christek]

Hello,

This is a wonderful tulwar, thank you for sharing :)

I am not an expert, but looking at the hilt of the sabre and making some comparisons; I would place the age of this design as late 18th or early 19th century, possibly a Mughal Empire piece.

Kind regards
Chris

[Jim McDougall]

Definitely Mughal motif in the koftgari, especially the representation at the forte of the tunkou as seen on yataghans etc. in Ottoman style. The bird may be a dove, these kinds of symbols are often seen in Mughal leitmotif of dynasties and in various sultanate courts. The heavy blade with yelman is associated with usually earlier blades carried forward traditionally recalled the Turkic ancestry of the Mughals.
While Mughal courts profoundly were drawn to Persian culture, the clear Ottoman influences were possibly due to the use of Ottoman mercenary forces throughout many sultanates.
I would say this is end of 18th into early 19th and probably from one of the Deccani sultanates, perhaps into the Delhi regions to the north. I have seen this kind of forte decoration on tulwars even with British blades, one I think of was a British M1788 light cavalry blade.

What is particularly interesting with this hybridization of British and Indian blade features is that many of the early prototypes of the M1796 light cavalry sabre had certain peculiarities of some Eastern swords. One example of British officers sabre I have has this same type of yelman or widened point. In England these raised back points were called notched or latchback while termed 'yelman' in various interpretations among oriental swords.

BTW, welcome to the forums 'Lost Dutchman'....great handle!! The fabled Lost Dutchman mine is pretty fascinating, and seeing the Superstition Mountains region pretty much explains how these legends came to being.
Those mountains are indeed deadly and recently claimed yet another victim.

All best regards,
Jim