Luzon Batangas bolo?

[Sajen]

Just bought this bolo and after some research I found this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3357&highlight=bolo
Could it be that my one is as well a Luzon Batangas bolo and maybe a Katipunan area sword?

Regards,

Detlef

[Lew]

Central Luzon I think? It's some type of itak bolo. Batangas bolos do not have peened through tangs? It's old probably pre WW2. Nice find there :) there are some Visayan traits carved in the hilt though so this is a hard one to pin down :cool: .

[Battara]

The blade kind of looks Tagalog.

[Indianajones]

Hi Detlef, congratulations with this sword firstly!! To my opinion this sword is from North Luzon from Ilocano's, deriving from the shape of the handle (seen in neighbourhood of Vigan). This type would have been carried in a leather sheath by 'lowlander officers' (characterised by wearing a uniform and an oval high pithhelmet) but they were traded around. 'Katipunan' -if you didnt know already :o - actually means the resistance against the Spanish and is mostly symbolised by a closed fist. I do estimate this sword from being 1850's so from that era, but therefore not specifically as a 'katipunan'example. (tagalog=lowlander=ilocano)

Though I could be (proven) off with my origin as due to trade and this is not my exact field of expertise. Anyone?

Greetings

[Sajen]

Central Luzon I think? It's some type of itak bolo. Batangas bolos do not have peened through tangs? It's old probably pre WW2. Nice find there :) there are some Visayan traits carved in the hilt though so this is a hard one to pin down :cool: .

Thank you Lew. I am not very firm with the swords from this region and all I know is taken from this place. ;) I have seen a lot of similarity with the bolo from Robert, the carvings at the handle and as well with the blade. There is a sword on Eriks site (actually for selling, so no pictures) with a peened through tang which one he titled as Batangas sword.

Regards,

Detlef

[Sajen]

The blade kind of looks Tagalog.

Hello Jose, isn't Batangas not the center of Tagalog? Do you have a guess about the age of this sword?

Regards,

Detlef

[Sajen]

Hi Detlef, congratulations with this sword firstly!! To my opinion this sword is from North Luzon from Ilocano's, deriving from the shape of the handle (seen in neighbourhood of Vigan). This type would have been carried in a leather sheath by 'lowlander officers' (characterised by wearing a uniform and an oval high pithhelmet) but they were traded around. 'Katipunan' -if you didnt know already :o - actually means the resistance against the Spanish and is mostly symbolised by a closed fist. I do estimate this sword from being 1850's so from that era, but therefore not specifically as a 'katipunan'example. (tagalog=lowlander=ilocano)

Though I could be (proven) off with my origin as due to trade and this is not my exact field of expertise. Anyone?

Greetings

Hi Wouter, thank you. Yes, I know what "Katipunan" is/mean and know also that many swords and daggers from this time have a handle which shows a closed fist but not all when I have a look to old threads here.
But I really would like to pin down the origin of my bolo as well an estimated age. So I am very curious what others like Lorenz think about it and can tell me.

Regards,

Detlef

[Lew]

Hi Detlef

Basically it's an itak Tagalog which was a chopper that was used on the farm for various cutting chores. It later used as a fighting bolo during the revolt against the Spanish. As for it's age IMO anywhere from the 1860s-1890s sorry but there really is no sure way to pin down its exact age since this style of bolo was widely used in that area of the Philippines over many years. All I can say is you have a great piece history there :)

[Sajen]

Hi Detlef

Basically it's an itak Tagalog which was a chopper that was used on the farm for various cutting chores. It later used as a fighting bolo during the revolt against the Spanish.

Hi Lew,

thank you for the further information! :) So you think it's old like this?

[Lew]

Yes pre 1900 :)

[Sajen]

Yes pre 1900 :)


Thank's again, that's what i hoped! :)

[xasterix]

Just bought this bolo and after some research I found this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=3357&highlight=bolo
Could it be that my one is as well a Luzon Batangas bolo and maybe a Katipunan area sword?

Regards,

Detlef

Hi Detlef. This sword is from Cavite based on its hilt. That's Cavite's signature hilt. I don't know the name of the blade profile though.

[Sajen]

Hi Detlef. This sword is from Cavite based on its hilt. That's Cavite's signature hilt. I don't know the name of the blade profile though.

Hi Xas,

Thank you very much! Great to know that this hilt style is Cavite!

Just for the sake of my understanding, when I understand you correct is the sword in up from the one in question also fitted with a Cavite style handle?

Thank you again and my best regards,
Detlef

[xasterix]

Hi Xas,

Thank you very much! Great to know that this hilt style is Cavite!

Just for the sake of my understanding, when I understand you correct is the sword in up from the one in question also fitted with a Cavite style handle?

Thank you again and my best regards,
Detlef

Yes, also Cavite. But I believe the albino horn (just a guess, I'm not a good identifier of hilt material) is older. The top sword is interesting ; may I see its scabbard?

[Sajen]

Yes, also Cavite. But I believe the albino horn (just a guess, I'm not a good identifier of hilt material) is older. The top sword is interesting ; may I see its scabbard?

First of all, thank you for a great information!

The handle material by the one which started this thread I would describe as green horn. The spine is near the handle 8,4 mm thick and has an interesting marking there, see picture.
The upper one in the last two pictures has a handle from kamagong, ferrule is iron, like by the other one, spine thickness near the handle is 12,3 mm (!).

Sadly are both without scabbard. Would you call the blade shape by the upper one dinahong palay?

Best,
Detlef

[xasterix]

First of all, thank you for a great information!

The handle material by the one which started this thread I would describe as green horn. The spine is near the handle 8,4 mm thick and has an interesting marking there, see picture.
The upper one in the last two pictures has a handle from kamagong, ferrule is iron, like by the other one, spine thickness near the handle is 12,3 mm (!).

Sadly are both without scabbard. Would you call the blade shape by the upper one dinahong palay?

Best,
Detlef

No problem on the lack of scabbard. I would think the blade profile is closer to what is called as "dinahong buho" or "dahong buo" by the Tagalog-speaking towns. Here's a modern sample from one of those towns. The blade tip terminates either at center, or at the upper part.

[xasterix]

Hi Xas,

Thank you very much! Great to know that this hilt style is Cavite!

Just for the sake of my understanding, when I understand you correct is the sword in up from the one in question also fitted with a Cavite style handle?

Thank you again and my best regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef. Necro'ing this because I felt the need to correct my past self lol.

Regarding your four swords, from top to bottom, I would now classify these as:

Laguna uhas tari
Quezon dahong palay
Batangas or Cavite dahong bolo
Pampanga tulipas

Hope this helps!

[Sajen]

Hi Detlef. Necro'ing this because I felt the need to correct my past self lol.

Regarding your four swords, from top to bottom, I would now classify these as:

Laguna uhas tari
Quezon dahong palay
Batangas or Cavite dahong bolo
Pampanga tulipas

Hope this helps!

Hi Xas,

Great information! :) Thank you very much. :cool:

You are a real asset to the forum!

Regards,
Detlef

[Sajen]

There is another sword in this group, would you be so kind to classify this one as well? :D

Regards,
Detlef

[chmorshuutz]

In present-day nomenclature, the uppermost two would be called "sinungot ulang" (lobster snout) or "sinungot hipon" (shrimp snout). The third and fourth one would be "dahong palay". The one at the bottom seems to be "buntot palos" (eel's tail).

[xasterix]

There is another sword in this group, would you be so kind to classify this one as well? :D

Regards,
Detlef

Halloo Detlef, that's a pretty curious bolo @.@ may I request more pics of it, thanks!

[Sajen]

Halloo Detlef, that's a pretty curious bolo @.@ may I request more pics of it, thanks!

Here you go! When you need more pictures please let me know. :)

61,5 cm overall, blade 44 cm, 7 mm thick at the spine direct after the handle.

[Sajen]

In present-day nomenclature, the uppermost two would be called "sinungot ulang" (lobster snout) or "sinungot hipon" (shrimp snout). The third and fourth one would be "dahong palay". The one at the bottom seems to be "buntot palos" (eel's tail).

Thank you! :)

[xasterix]

Here you go! When you need more pictures please let me know. :)

61,5 cm overall, blade 44 cm, 7 mm thick at the spine direct after the handle.


Thanks for the pictures! I would assess this to be from Quezon as well based on the hilt. Although...the blade profile features, I commonly see that associated with Rizal area. So it's either a whole Quezon piece, or a combo build between two Tagalog areas.

[Sajen]

Thanks for the pictures! I would assess this to be from Quezon as well based on the hilt. Although...the blade profile features, I commonly see that associated with Rizal area. So it's either a whole Quezon piece, or a combo build between two Tagalog areas.

Thank you very much mate!:):cool:

[Sajen]

Forgot to ask, is there a special meaning for the Aries handle?

Regards,
Detlef

[xasterix]

Forot to ask, is there a special meaning for the Aries handle?

Regards,
Detlef

Not sure TBH. The area produced a wide assortment of animal pommels. BTW, what's the edge grind?

[Sajen]

BTW, what's the edge grind?

Thank you anyway! V-grind.

Regards,
Detlef