help please with this short sword

[thinreadline]

Another that is out of my geographical area .. so was wondering what it might be . Overall length 55 cm , scabbard & hilt of wood.

[DaveA]

The braided rattan binding the scabbard suggests SE Asia. I remember reading something about pommels with this shape from the area but it slips my mind for the moment.

[thinreadline]

The braided rattan binding the scabbard suggests SE Asia. I remember reading something about pommels with this shape from the area but it slips my mind for the moment.

Yes I would agree with that , as in my 'heap' I have several items that I know are SE Asian and tthey do have scabbards made in the same sort of way.. Thanks.

[Atlantia]

Bloody hell Richmond!
Just how big is that heap of yours? ;)

I agree with Dave. The work reminds me of my Golok, so my guess would be Indonesia or thereabouts.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13923&highlight=golok

Absolutely beautiful design. Very unusual.

Best
Gene

[Iain]

Agreed on SE Asia. Quite an unusual form, the blade decoration in particular perks my interest. Not a style I remember seeing?

Very interesting hilt form as well, having trouble thinking of anything even remotely similar from those general regions. :shrug:

[Jim McDougall]

LOL Gene!!! good point, this seemingly endless mountain of Richmond's is pure treasure!!!
Im with you guys on Indonesia, the style of the scabbard and that distinct point at the tip reminds me of scabbards from those places, but I cant recall exactly where.
Iain...I cant help thinking this looks like an Indonesian 'takouba' !!:) maybe I need a day off ?

All the best,
Jim

[Iain]

Iain...I cant help thinking this looks like an Indonesian 'takouba' !!:) maybe I need a day off ?

All the best,
Jim

If it wasn't for that scabbard I'd be going for a different ID and end up with mud on my face. :p

And that pile of Richmond's IS pure gold, keep em coming mate. :)

[thinreadline]

If it wasn't for that scabbard I'd be going for a different ID and end up with mud on my face. :p

And that pile of Richmond's IS pure gold, keep em coming mate. :)

Well you know Iain ( and Jim ) when I first pulled it out .. I thought the same .. but this is hope springing eternal etc ...
As for the heap .. well I told you it was 25 years + accumulation with no theme , rhyme nor reason ! Thats not to say I dont collect or display .. but basically if it didnt grab me , it didnt go on the wall, it went on the 'heap' . Thats why I am so glad I found this forum .. I was floundering for years with no prospect of anything becoming clearer !
Cheers
Richmond

[Atlantia]

Hi Richmond,
Can we see some clearer pictures of the blade decoration?
Best
Gene

[Tim Simmons]

The engraving on the blade very much reminds me of that on many older Mandau so I am going to suggest Borneo. I think there are many unrecognised blade forms from Borneo. I do not think it will be long before a Mandau with similar engraving pops up.

[Sajen]

Sorry Tim,

but the blade engraving reminds me to dha's I have seen and I really don't think that it is an indonesian sword. My guess that it is from Kambodcha, Laos or Vietnam but this is just my guess. The blade shape isn't like a dha but look at the tip of the sheath.

Regards,

Detlef

[Tim Simmons]

In the hope of exploring this thread and other unrecognised Borneo weapons. I ask just as a start. Mandau collectors please join in. I have had Mandaus with similar style engraving. Look at the midle Mandau in this link posted by Lee. We see the same form to the decorative plan. What we really need is better pictures from Richmond and more contributions.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14971

[thinreadline]

In the hope of exploring this thread and other unrecognised Borneo weapons. I ask just as a start. Mandau collectors please join in. I have had Mandaus with similar style engraving. Look at the midle Mandau in this link posted by Lee. We see the same form to the decorative plan. What we really need is better pictures from Richmond and more contributions.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14971

Have taken what I hope are better shots of the blade decoration in the hope that someone may be inspired with an idea.

[Jim McDougall]

Thanks for the excellent images of the motif Richmond!
I am inclined to agree, this motif seems very much Indonesian or as well noted, the kind of incised motif seen on mandau, which I have also seen quite similar. It seems to be of a type weapon which would be considered outside regular classification and of course modern.

[katana]

Hi Richmond ,
the rounded shoulders just before the tang suggests to me a re-hilt as the blade/hilt is not well matched,

Regards David