Katipunan Era Officer's Dagger

[Battara]

Greetings! I got this off of ebay and restored the upper brass chape that was missing, and cleaned up the silver. Silver mounts on the hilt and the silver cross guard is in okir form (see below). Also notice that the leather is tooled in plant motif. Also notice the blade - similar in form to the Tejeros Convention dagger.

Enjoy!

[Lew]

Jose

You did a great job ;)

[Battara]

Here is the comparison between the Tejeros Convention dagger and the dagger above:

[carlos]

Congratulations!! I bid too in the auction,I think I wasthe second bidder :( ! But I´m happy to see the dagger was to a new owner fromthe forum, is a very beautiful dagger and your works in restoration is incredible!!
thansk for pictures
best regards
carlos

[Sajen]

Jose, like usual great work and a very nice addition to your collection! :)

I wonder if the Tejeros Convention dagger now in your collection?

Regards,

Detlef

[Robert]

Jose, I noticed the similarity of the blades when this dagger was first put up for auction and wondered if anyone else would notice it. I am very happy that you were the one who ended up winning it but, if I hadn't just got through spending too much money on bills I would have given you a real run for your money on it. :D My congratulations to you for scoring this great piece. If you ever decide that you are tired of looking at it send it my way!!!

Robert

P.S.
Great restoration work on the scabbard!!!

[Battara]

Thank you folks.

Yes Detlef I now have the Tejeros dagger thanks to Robert. :D

Robert, I was bidding on 2 things and this one caught my eye on the blade and the okir quillons (oh and yes I LOVE good silver work :D ).

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat. But true restoration or repair cuts down on as much guess work as possible. The form of the throat came from the pattern of the bottom chape and the pattern I found on the leather up top. I am tempted to restore the chape with the rest and a brass ball on bottom, but may leave it as it is for now..............

Below is the picture of the original condition.

[Ferguson]

Very sweet dagger, and great work as always!
Steve

[Dimasalang]

Beautiful piece! Looks awesome next to the Tejeros dagger. Why can't I ever get this lucky.

[Atlantia]

It's beautiful! Great work, and a fantastic pair.
These are something that I never see over here in Blighty.

[David]

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.
Really? I think you did a great job on the restoration, but don't you think that would be going just a bit too far even if you were sure of the origin?
:shrug:

[Battara]

Well David, only if the triangle was the custom on this particular piece. Since I don't know (it could be earlier) then I won't do anything more. I usually don't like to do more than I would have proof. :shrug:

[Battara]

Also I forgot to mention that this was brought back by Captain George A. Campbell of Woburn, Massachusetts who fought in the Philippine-American War.

Glad to have at least some of the provenance. :D

[Spunjer]

If I new for sure this belonged to a 1st PI Republic I might have placed a triangle etc on the throat.

hi jose,
i see what david is saying, since i kinda took your statement he posted the same way. regarding the custom of adding a triangle, etc on pieces:
i could be wrong but, it was in my opinion that these symbols weren't added on these knives, swords, etc. because it's a must nor the custom, but rather it's more of a whim by the original owner. kinda like their personal signature, hence the reason why they are rare?
reminded me of a story about someone who added a sharpened back edge on a regular barung because he thought it was neat, or perhaps to enhance the value? :shrug:

[Battara]

Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy.......... :shrug:

[Sajen]

Hello Jose,

you have done well that you don't add the triangle. Agree complete with you! :)

[eric45]

very nice...erich

[Dimasalang]

Well again if there were evidence that it was supposed to be there, then I might add it, otherwise I just leave it alone - want to be conservative about these things - don't want to add something that might not have been there. There is restoration and then there is fantasy.......... :shrug:

I would of engraved a Triangle. :D Along with a sunface, 3 stars, skull and bones, and K.K.K. :p And I'd top it off with the initials E.A. :D

[Battara]

I would of engraved a Triangle. :D Along with a sunface, 3 stars, skull and bones, and K.K.K. :p And I'd top it off with the initials E.A. :D
Ah..........................er.................... ....E.A? :confused:

[Dimasalang]

Ah..........................er.................... ....E.A? :confused:

Yah, for Emilio Aguinaldo. HAHAHA

[DaveA]

For comparison. I bought this about 4 years ago. 14 inches in overall length. Diamond cross-section blade is 9 1/2 inches long with a brass overlay at the ricasso. Brass guard, ferrules, and end cap. The dark hilt is turned kamagong or carabao horn and inlaid with twisted brass wire. The scabbard is leather, in fine condition, with silver mounts.

http://web.mac.com/gnaritas/SwordsAndKnives/Collection/Entries/2007/12/4_Pi_Katipunan_Officers_Dagger_files/shapeimage_3.jpg

[Battara]

I had a nearly identical one to this years ago but sold it............hmmm............

[Battara]

Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano? Compare the blade styles to this one off eBay (it is from Sorsogon, Bicol - southern tip of Luzon):

[Robert]

Could these daggers I have also be Bicolano?
For some reason I don't think that your daggers are from Bicol. There is a vague resemblance in blade design but the similarity (to me anyway seems) to end there. BWDIK. Did you by chance end up with this dagger too? I had been watching it but decided to bid on the Minasbad instead and lost track of it. If you did congratulations as it is a great piece and will make a great addition to your collection.

Robert

[Battara]

No Robert I did not get this and was just wondering since the blades were similar. I tend to move away from the Bicol attribution for the Tejeros Convention dagger (bottom of picture of the 2). Still don't know, but was just wondering.