Khayber

[mahratt]

This interesting Khyber has long been bought at Artzi. What can you say about it? Clearly, it is not typical for Afghanistan. What do you think, where it was made? And that written on it?

Sorry for my english.

http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/1103/97/ba1fc5936917.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s11.radikal.ru/i184/1103/4d/bd179ad33f40.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s46.radikal.ru/i112/1103/59/556795abaeeb.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

http://s52.radikal.ru/i136/1103/d9/404c51266b4b.jpg (http://www.radikal.ru)

[mahratt]

Any opinions on this?

[ALEX]

....Clearly, it is not typical for Afghanistan. What do you think, where it was made?...


Mahratt, the chasing has some strong Indian influence, but why are you ruling Afganistan out? It still does fit Afghani profile.

[mahratt]

Mahratt, the chasing has some strong Indian influence, but why are you ruling Afganistan out? It still does fit Afghani profile.

In my very personal opinion the shape of the blade is 100% afghan. But the hilt and scabbards parts are not common for
Afghanistan. I'm very interested to hear any ideas from you where it could be done (if in India in which region)? As well
it's not in afghan traditions to make a tugra on the blade (by the way could you be so kind to give me an idea about what
does this inscription means).
Looking forward to hear from you

[Jens Nordlunde]

What did Oriental Arms write about it?

[mahratt]

What did Oriental Arms write about it?


The blade of this Khyber sword is marked with gold inlay (Dot inlay) stamp with a maker sign and the date 1220 (1805 in the Gregorian Calendar). Blade length 23 inches. The handle as well as the scabbard fittings are made of beautifully chased copper, with traces of old gilding. Original leather cover of the scabbard. Total length 30 1/2 inches. Very good plus condition.


http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2788

[Dom]

The blade of this Khyber sword is marked with gold inlay (Dot inlay) stamp with a maker sign and the date 1220 (1805 in the Gregorian Calendar).
http://www.oriental-arms.com/item.php?id=2788Hi "mahratt"
with the risk to temperate your pleasure :o
I have some comments about the digits translation's

- if they is no doubt about the digit 1 (one) and 3 (three)
- I'm curious to know where have been read the digit 0 (zero) ?? :confused:
- the fourth digit, if it's a digit, might be (under reserve) 4 (four)

according with me, I thought that it's a (rudimentary) "magic square" and not a datation

a name has been translated; AL GUERI, name without meaning

sorry to be touchy, but I like the precision

all the best

à +

Dom

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I MUST CORRECT my post on above, I'm WRONG :o

I found strange that "Artzi" could provide some precision
(I respect their real professionalism) without basic

I examined more acutely the picture ... and I found the date :p
hope so that "Artzi" will accept my apologizes :o

with my best regards
Dom

[mahratt]

Thanks, Dom! Could the inscription AL GUERI be the name of the owner of Khyber?

[Dom]

Thanks, Dom! Could the inscription AL GUERI be the name of the owner of Khyber?don't mention :D
- name for the owner or the blacksmith ??
very good the question ... :rolleyes:
as per as no more mention ... only God knows :D

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Dom

[mahratt]

don't mention :D
- name for the owner or the blacksmith ??
very good the question ... :rolleyes:
as per as no more mention ... only God knows :D

à +

Dom


Thank you very much, Dom! :)

[mahratt]

So where could this be done Khyber? Jens, Jim, your opinions?

[mahratt]

Any opinions??

[Jens Nordlunde]

I am not quite sure what you want me to answer to - please be more specific.
Jens

[ALEX]

Jens, I think Mahratt wanted an opinion on where this Khyber was produced, i.e. its origin. It has Indian and Afghani features, and it'd be safe to say it is Indo-Afghani:-) Also, the cartouche type is not uncommon for these regions.
Mahratt, it cannot be called "tughra" by the way. "tughra" is exclusively Ottoman mark.

[Jens Nordlunde]

Hi Mahratt,
Alex thanks for the clarifying. I am with you when it comes to the Indian-Afghani origin, and I am with Dom when it comes to the square, as I too think it may be some kind of magic square.
The dot marking is seen now and again, but not so often.
Jens

[mahratt]

Hi Mahratt,
Alex thanks for the clarifying. I am with you when it comes to the Indian-Afghani origin, and I am with Dom when it comes to the square, as I too think it may be some kind of magic square.
The dot marking is seen now and again, but not so often.
Jens


Thank you very much to all!