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fernando
27th October 2010, 02:18 PM
Just arrived from Peru.
The tiniest barrel i have come across: 7,5 X 7 cms. The bore, showing irregular walls, measures around 30 mm.
Forged bronze, with a genuine patina and some slight verdigris spots.
It might have been used, judging by the touch-hole imperfections.
Seller dated it XVII century. This is possible, but i will submit to better judgements.
There are some grid marks on the back of the body.
I wonder whether these things were brought over by Spaniards or were actually forged locally.
So how should i situate it ... meaning how should i name it; Colonial or Spanish-colonial?
Coments will be much welcome

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Matchlock
27th October 2010, 02:54 PM
Cute indeed, 'Nando, ;)

I must admit I have never seen anything of this kind, so all I can say is left to mere speculation. I think your idea of its showing Spanish Colonial influence may have hit the target. On the other hand we should not forget that the Inkas had developed a high culture before the Spaniards arrived. 17th century seems quite right to me but I cannot exclude the 16th c. either.

Anyway, take good care of this cute riddle, it sure will get to know some interesting comrades in your collection!

Best,
Michl

Cesare
27th October 2010, 06:11 PM
Hi Fernando.
Almost certainly, is a "firecracker of joy". In Italy in 17th century, was called "Mortaretto de allegrezza".
They were made in both bronze and iron and were usually owned by the parish or municipality.
Were very used in the 'Mediterranean region (Spain, Italy). Appeared in the late 16th century and were used until the early 19th century.
In the Firecrackers that I have examined, the diameter seldom exceeds 25 mm, have a very short barrel and a flat base to support them on the ground.

Dmitry
27th October 2010, 08:01 PM
I love the patina on this little piece!

fernando
28th October 2010, 04:58 PM
I love the patina on this little piece!

... And i'll second you.

fernando
28th October 2010, 05:13 PM
Cute indeed, 'Nando, ;)

I must admit I have never seen anything of this kind, so all I can say is left to mere speculation. I think your idea of its showing Spanish Colonial influence may have hit the target. On the other hand we should not forget that the Inkas had developed a high culture before the Spaniards arrived. 17th century seems quite right to me but I cannot exclude the 16th c. either.
Thank you for your input, Michl.
I will stand for Spanish Colonial, 16/17th century ... although envious for the Inkas hipothesis :(


Anyway, take good care of this cute riddle, it sure will get to know some interesting comrades in your collection!
Best, Michl
I am busy introducing it to the others ... and i promise i'll be back ;)

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fernando
28th October 2010, 05:18 PM
Hi Fernando.
Almost certainly, is a "firecracker of joy". In Italy in 17th century, was called "Mortaretto de allegrezza".
They were made in both bronze and iron and were usually owned by the parish or municipality.
Were very used in the 'Mediterranean region (Spain, Italy). Appeared in the late 16th century and were used until the early 19th century.
In the Firecrackers that I have examined, the diameter seldom exceeds 25 mm, have a very short barrel and a flat base to support them on the ground.

Thank you for your coments, Cesare :)
Yes, a "Morteirete de Alegria" ... but not necessarily.
These things had multiple utility; could be powder testers, signal mortars, hand cannons ... and also used to trap battle places and castle gates, to explode at the enemy trespassing.

Matchlock
3rd November 2010, 06:33 PM
Thank you for your input, Michl.
I will stand for Spanish Colonial, 16/17th century ... although envious for the Inkas hipothesis :(



Hi 'Nando,

Sorry, I did not mean to create some confusion with my hint to the Inka high culture. Of course they - gathering from all we know - did not use firearms, they only got acquainted to them thru the Spaniards. ;)

I just wanted to avoid making the Inka culture appear inferior to that of the Spaniards in general, though the Inkas' warfare obviously was inferior to the Spanish one.

Best, my Portuguese friend, from Lower Bavaria, :)
Michl

fernando
3rd November 2010, 07:07 PM
;) :cool: :D

... from upper Portugal :eek: