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Spiridonov
5th October 2010, 10:12 PM
The image of the late medieval handgonne from the fragment of picture "Piccolomini Presents Eleanor of Portugal to Emperor Frederick III". This picture is about 1490-1495 year.
Matchlock
6th October 2010, 12:40 PM
Hi Alexander,
Very nice find, this one! :)
This sort of firearm ist a tiller gun (Stangenbüchse) that had to be ignited manually.
For more on these, please see my older tread
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8461&highlight=tiller
Best,
Michael
Spiridonov
6th October 2010, 02:09 PM
Hi, Michael! Thank you for comments. But I think that this weapon is not a Stangenbüchse. I think that this weapon of this type:
Matchlock
6th October 2010, 02:46 PM
Sorry, Alexander,
And thank you so much for correcting my old eyes! Of course you are perfectly right, I somehow overlooked the delicate half length forestock supporting the rear section of the barrel!
Best,
Michael
Spiridonov
6th October 2010, 03:31 PM
By the way, Michael do you know the size and calibre of weapon from a the small photo? Do you have a high quality photo of this?
Matchlock
6th October 2010, 05:13 PM
Alexander,
I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.
If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan. ;)
Best,
Michael
Spiridonov
6th October 2010, 07:34 PM
Alexander,
I of course have known that piece and am aware that it's in my library but cannot remember where. I recall though it's a very old b/w photo only.
If you tell me the title of the catalog (or in what museum it is) I will take 'revenge' with a best possible scan. ;)
Best,
Michael
I got this picture from these site http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~dispater/handgonnes.htm
handgonne from Majorca, cal. 12.5mm, early 1400's. Real Armeria, Madrid
Matchlock
6th October 2010, 08:21 PM
OK, here it is, plus a similar one, all preserved in the Real Armeria Madrid!
Best,
Michael
Spiridonov
11th October 2010, 10:29 AM
We can see one picture with handgonne of this type from British Library
http://i23.servimg.com/u/f23/14/83/12/61/1473_f10.jpg
This picture from Forum de L'Ost Du Dauphin:
http://ostdudauphin.forumperso.com/l-artillerie-f13/soldat-maitre-de-feu-t765.htm
fernando
11th October 2010, 12:57 PM
Thanks for the link, Alexander.
Superb pictures, specially those of the firemasters ... and the firemaster horse (?).
Matchlock
11th October 2010, 01:56 PM
Great find, Alexander, thank you! ;)
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Spiridonov
2nd December 2012, 06:00 PM
Handgonne of similar type:
Horae ad usum Parisiensem. 1475-1500.jpg
Andi
3rd December 2012, 01:01 PM
Oooohhh they are so cute
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