turkish ottoman officers sword writing

[mavi1970]

can anyone deciver the writing with the size of pciture i have uploaded?
thanks

[katana]

Hi Mavi,
sorry cannot help with the translation, but wondered whether you could post more pictures of the sword. Do you have any other information about it ? The reason is that I am currently considering buying one that was recently offered to me. thank you.

Regards David

[Atlantia]

Here's bigger (but not much clearer)
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c59/Battlestar_Atlantia/sword1a-1.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c59/Battlestar_Atlantia/sword3-1.jpg

[Dom]

Please
in respect of the general rules of this forum,
might you offer a pic (or several) of the complet weapon if your request is to have a translation
in advance thank you :D

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Dom

[kronckew]

the writing is upside down ;)

[Atlantia]

the writing is upside down ;)
LOL, good point!

[mavi1970]

hehe, i didnt know it was upside down. being turkish, old turkish/arabic is not my forte. particulairs of sword is its german made smaller size, 20 inch, probably an officer or artilery sword. there are other swords similair for sale like mine but the number on the blade and scabbard are different.
i will post more pics later.

[Dom]

Hi
what I might said, it's not Arabic language
could be Turkish ??
just the first word has been translated => ﺍﷲ => ALLAH => GOD

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Dom

[mavi1970]

here is another picture. its so hard to take pictures and get the right light.

[mavi1970]

here is a more clear picture, can anyone understand the writing?

[katana]

Hi,
after some research ...I can tell you that if old Turkish script it would date the sword WW1 or earlier. Apparently the Turks changed their alphabet to the latin characters after WWI.

The sword that I have been offered seems to have the identical script (the pictures sent to me are not to clear) including the 'decorative' scrolls either end. I would assume that this inscription is not 'personalised' to the owner but a 'standardised' inscription.

Regards David

[katana]

Found this ........a description of a very similar sword, WW1

Turkish junior Infantry Officer's sword and scabbard. The hilt has a brass D shape stirrup guard, a plain brass back strap and wooden grips with ten horizontal bands.


The straight plain blade has a double edge to a spear point and the ricasso has an Arabic inscription that reads as

'God (Allah) is with his own (or company)' . on the right side of blade

Hopefully,....translation found

Regards David

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[Dom]

the ricasso has an Arabic inscription that reads as

'God (Allah) is with his own (or company)' . on the right side of blade

Hopefully,....translation foundHi David
might I correct you, when you wrote "the ricasso has an Arabic inscription"
revised by "the ricasso has an inscription in Arabic script ..." :D
coze, it's what ever you want as language, excepted from Arabic, sorry :shrug:

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Dom

[katana]

Hi Dom,
sorry, but the wording was a quote from an internet source.... these are not my words .... I should have made that clear :o

All the best
David

[caveman]

gods name I like I like

[mavi1970]

thanks for the translation. I have not seen many of these around, but its good to have one.
thanks

[graeme gt]

Hi Mavi, is the bottom of the scabbard cut and not been finished of ?

[mavi1970]

actually its stock that way. not cut off but produced for the size of the sword.

[graeme gt]

Hi Mavi,I had the same or very similar years ago i was under the impression that it was Turkish 1WW .I thought mine was a cut down full sized sword used as a trench knife or a side arm but i could be wrong .

[erlikhan]

Hi. it is a ww1 period Turkish military sword. i know it as not infantry but artillery officers sword.They were produced in several (at least 3) different lengths with the same scabbards and hilt,and with differing steel qualities. Plus,there are a few models more,which were not produced in Turkey but imported from Germany ,having blades with German maker marks. All of them were straight. However,only once I met a sample with curved,strong blade, again with the same hilt model and the same inscription. Perhaps was a private order.. I dont read Arabic alphabet,but as far as I know the inscription writes "Allah bizimledir" in Turkish meaning "Allah(God) is with us".

regards

[katana]

Hi Mavi,
have now got the Turkish officers sword I mentioned earlier. Good quality steel and a horn handle. I have posted this on the European Armoury Forum, in case you are interested

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?p=96572#post96572

Regards David

[mavi1970]

David,

nice sword, congrats on your purchase. there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now. I wonder if your blade will clean, but you are lucky with the rhino handle, mine is wood, but the blade is still shiny with no pits. i am lucky in that regard.
enjoy

[katana]

........ there was another one on sale on flea bay that just ended that i missed and went quite reasonably for the economy now.....

Hi Mavi,
thank you for your comments :) I get the impression (from you) that these swords are no longer 'plentiful'. If this is the case.....do you have any idea why ?
Was this the sword you were refering to.......
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390149425918&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Regards David

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[mavi1970]

Yes,
that was the sword I was referring too. Reasonable price. I had not seen many for sale for years, then in the last bit there has been quite a few for sale. Could be the economy. Still after that elusive ottoman/turkish kilij I want, but have not been able to afford, and probablyu never can.

[Lee]

Received by e-mail:

Salaam,
This is Efdaluddin Kilic from Istanbul. I am a calligrapher and sort of expert on Ottoman texts. I have been asked about a sword this morning by one of my friends and while searching I came across with your website. The same sword on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11300 is in front of me at home now. And to be a sort of help to your forum the inscription reads in Turkish but with the Islamic letters ¨ ALLAH BIZIMLE¨ and means ¨Allah (God) is with us¨.
Cordially,
Efdaluddin Kilic
www.efdaluddin.com/ (http://www.efdaluddin.com/)

[broadaxe]

Interesting enough and good that the subject emerged again. I received an identical sword for research and identification a couple of days ago. Same marks, full double edge blade is 17" long and of pretty good quality. It is very sharp, not the regular arsenal edge. I've encountered several WWI-era turkish military swords, also curved - these were usualy very similar to the German officer's saber of the period, but of inferior quality. I also held naval short sword with marine motifs. That straight sword may have been also police issue, 1910 model.

[mavi1970]

well since i aquired that sword i have bought another 4 similari, one short but 3 same, and sharp as this one. just adding to my collection. most have the same writing. variations are evident though.