Antique spring assist/gravity wrist daggers

[Atlantia]

Of the up the sleeve attached to your arm type....
I've often wondered if there is any historical precedent for these in reality?

4:20 in this clip
Kroenen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7aKiO8lgUY&feature=related)

25 seconds in on this one
Laurence Olvier in Marathon man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Fa7ETpmJ4)

55 seconds
Assasins Creed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc-ClutaN_I)

[fearn]

I think the Marathon Man clip shows what the problem is :D

Seriously, it looks concealable, but you've got to figure out some sort of trigger that's also inconspicuous, and then keep the whole thing on your arm without accidentally triggering it. It's easier to simply hide a knife in a sheath somewhere.

I've seen pics of guns and dart throwers in that configuration, but offhand I don't know of a real implementation of it anywhere.

Best,

F

[Atlantia]

I think the Marathon Man clip shows what the problem is :D

Seriously, it looks concealable, but you've got to figure out some sort of trigger that's also inconspicuous, and then keep the whole thing on your arm without accidentally triggering it. It's easier to simply hide a knife in a sheath somewhere.

I've seen pics of guns and dart throwers in that configuration, but offhand I don't know of a real implementation of it anywhere.

Best,

F


Well, I dont think there is any doubt that small guns have had 'up the arm' rigs made for them. I think the 'flick' method employed in Taxi Driver using the carriage from a typewriter is the best! Check youtube for more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XZWi7dRxws&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Jamg3FRHfE

personal fav's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNZR9lM7DZI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8opY0LeMRoI

[fearn]

In case I was confusing, I meant an up-the-arm knife, following the question.

Thinking about it, I do know a story of a Chinese martial arts master who could reportedly throw a knife out of a wrist sheath. That definitely qualifies as a neat trick in my book, but it's not quite what you're looking for.

Best,

F

[Rick]

Is this what you mean ?
A antique version ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_knife

[josh stout]

I once asked Scott Rodell about the brass spring loaded wrist darts from China that one occasionally sees on eBay, and he said that, while he was skeptical about the ones for sale, they were based on a real weapon. Chinese throwing knives, needles etc. are pretty rare, though they are well documented in martial arts styles and period novels. The wrist dart holders look like brass tubes around eight inches long and shoot needles like short fat knitting needles. The dart is spring loaded. There is a groove going around near the tip of the dart and this slots into a small release mechanism that can be depressed with a finger.

I can't think of any similar arrangement where a fixed blade sprang out like that. There were double and single knives or even small maces that were traditionally hidden up a sleeve, but nothing fixed. The Chinese like to be able to spin their knives around.
Josh

[Atlantia]

I once asked Scott Rodell about the brass spring loaded wrist darts from China that one occasionally sees on eBay, and he said that, while he was skeptical about the ones for sale, they were based on a real weapon. Chinese throwing knives, needles etc. are pretty rare, though they are well documented in martial arts styles and period novels. The wrist dart holders look like brass tubes around eight inches long and shoot needles like short fat knitting needles. The dart is spring loaded. There is a groove going around near the tip of the dart and this slots into a small release mechanism that can be depressed with a finger.

I can't think of any similar arrangement where a fixed blade sprang out like that. There were double and single knives or even small maces that were traditionally hidden up a sleeve, but nothing fixed. The Chinese like to be able to spin their knives around.
Josh

Ah I like it! Never seen one before, interesting 'dinky toy firing missile' principal of manufacture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOlIuf61KM&feature=related

Might be fun to make one.........

[fearn]

And, of course, the Turkana didn't wear sleeves over these (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.php?p=83004&postcount=7). :D:D:D

[josh stout]

Ah I like it! Never seen one before, interesting 'dinky toy firing missile' principal of manufacture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYOlIuf61KM&feature=related

Might be fun to make one.........

Wow, you found one. That looks pretty typical of the ones I have seen pictures of. I wonder how old it is? I see things that make me think it has some age, and things like the slot cut into the side that look recent.

Notice how thick the spring seems. It looks like it had some power.
Josh

[Atlantia]

And, of course, the Turkana didn't wear sleeves over these (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpost.php?p=83004&postcount=7). :D:D:D

LOL, true enough!

[Atlantia]

Wow, you found one. That looks pretty typical of the ones I have seen pictures of. I wonder how old it is? I see things that make me think it has some age, and things like the slot cut into the side that look recent.

Notice how thick the spring seems. It looks like it had some power.
Josh


The spring looks like its out of a cheap chinese air-gun. I think it would be fairly easy to make something along these lines.
Be fun to try!

[ariel]

Aren't they against the law?

[Rick]

Very .

[ericlaude]

Hello, just for show you the chinese sleeve dart.
First, the spring tube mounted as a gun, and the original spring tube with its dart.

[Atlantia]

Hello, just for show you the chinese sleeve dart.
First, the spring tube mounted as a gun, and the original spring tube with its dart.
OMG that is beautiful!
Is it yours Ericlaude?
Can you tell me anything more about it?

Wow, I really want one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :eek:

[ericlaude]

Hello Atlantia and thanks,
Yes it's mine, I trade its to a French dealer, I haven't much information on its historia, It's chinese behind 1870 - 1900 .

[Atlantia]

Hello Atlantia and thanks,
Yes it's mine, I trade its to a French dealer, I haven't much information on its historia, It's chinese behind 1870 - 1900 .

Lucky you, it looks like a lot of fun!!
How do you load it? What is the purpose of the lower tube/rod? Is it a lever to compress the spring?
How does it fire? Accurate?

[ericlaude]

Both lower tubes are tidying up for 4 darts . The spring is constricted when the tube is closed again and it is locked
by a rotation has right. Power is very big.( traduction with computer)

[Atlantia]

Both lower tubes are tidying up for 4 darts . The spring is constricted when the tube is closed again and it is locked
by a rotation has right. Power is very big.( traduction with computer)

Could we see some pictures of the loading/ firing process?

Best
Gene

[ericlaude]

it are not very good but it's easy for understand the mechanism.

[ericlaude]

for the simple tube

[Atlantia]

Fantastic, thank you so much for posting them. I will very much enjoy studying them :D