Morokris with strange features

[Maurice]

This weekend I took some photo's of a strange morokris.
The cacatua head was a bone one.
Also the blade was very strange. The end looked like a kampilan, only there was no protrusion. There was a seperate gangya.

Did anyone see something like this before?

[Battara]

Could be a lumad piece.

[migueldiaz]

Here's an alternative (long shot) theory -- could it be the short version of the sword that the Ilanun (Iranun) pirate is holding below?

Note that the guard of the Ilanun's kampilan is like that of a kris. Plus if he can rest his hand on the pommel like that, then it must not have been bifurcated.

In any case, thanks for the pic Maurice. Truly an intriguing piece :)

[kai]

Wow, Maurice, where did you dig up this stunner? Thanks a lot for posting pics!

I realize that you tried to avoid reflections but do you got any pic of the gangya area taken at a right angle? What is the approximate length of the blade? Any hints that the silver ferrule might be a bit later relacement?

At the moment, I'm not leaning towards a Lumad origin: the gangya work seems pretty much Moro to me...

Regards,
Kai

[kronckew]

some dhas have similar tips to the 'pirate' drawings
http://dharesearch.bowditch.us/Images/Image259.jpg

there are others on the forum research site under 'dhas'

the original posters one looks very klewang-like, similar to another mora style, a pira.

http://old.blades.free.fr/swords/klewang/kle08/kle08_s.jpg

interesting combination of styles.

[Maurice]

Thank you all for your input.


Kai ofcourse I made some photo's of the gangya. But the people who know me better would have a laugh, cause they know also that of the 5 photo's I make, 4 are worthloss. Unfortunately that is the case on the gangya pictures.

The gangya looked very well made and was seperate. Those seperate pieces were definately belonging together.
The blade was not a very big one, I would rather say a bit like the morokris that came along with my kampilan, and which I shipped to you afterwards.

Sorry I can't give an answer on your ferrule question.

But if the pommel and the blade belong together??? :shrug:


Maurice

[David]

Maurice, where is this "kris". It is behind glass so i am assuming it is in a museum somewhere. If so, what info does the museum give on it?

[Maurice]

Maurice, where is this "kris". It is behind glass so i am assuming it is in a museum somewhere. If so, what info does the museum give on it?David, it was at the tribal art fair "Parcours des Mondes" in Paris. It was at a very small gallery which was closed all day when present. Therefore I coudn't ask any questions.

[migueldiaz]

Here's the detail of the Ilanun pirate's sword:

[David]

We can't see the very tip in these photos Maurice. Did it have a little hook extension like a kampilan?

[Maurice]

We can't see the very tip in these photos Maurice. Did it have a little hook extension like a kampilan?

That because the tip was behind the window frame. It had no protrusion like the kampilan.