Akar Bahar Hilts

[Rick]

I noticed that one has recently sold in Swap .

I was wondering if any of our members had other examples of this material to show ?

I have some raw pieces of this material; not enough for a hilt, but I find it fascinating to view; so black it seems it almost absorbs light .

Anyone ?

[asomotif]

This one was Akar Bahar :

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=6124&highlight=bahar

Best regards,
Willem

[Rick]

Thanks Willem . :)
No one else ..................... ?!?

No other comments ? :shrug: :(

[Battara]

I saw a rencong hilt once made of this stuff. It is fascinating material. Very rare.

[Amuk Murugul]

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No one else ..................... ?!?

No other comments ? :shrug: :(

Hullo Rick, :)

Since you asked so nicely....

Oerang Soenda warriors traditionally use Akar Bahar arm-bands. Here is one of mine.(Apologies for the bad pic; it was a snap decision ;))

Best,

[A. G. Maisey]

This sort of bracelet/armband was very popular and prolific in Bali from the early 1970's on. You still see a few in the tourist traps, but quality now is not as good as it used to be.

[A. G. Maisey]

Here are a couple of examples of the same material, but different colours.

Black speckled and red; both made as conventional type knife hilts, fittings silver, the stone set in the pommel of the speckled one is a black star.

I've got damascus blades made for these but haven't yet had time to heat treat them.

Actually, when I throw my mind back, these were not made for conventional knives, they were made for those little Bali ceremonial axes, but I decided I'd like to use them as damascus handles.

[BluErf]

I have seen a Terengganu pipit teleng hilt made from black coral. It's a good sized hilt, beautifully carved, and almost all black with minimal specks and sand pits. It was brightly polished and reflects light like polished black marble.

Unfortunately, it was not for sale. :p

This material is devilishly hard to carve and polish. Sorry, no pictures to share... :p

Dave has a good sized kerdas hilt on a Bugis naga keris.

[BluErf]

Also, I hear that there is so much salt in these hilts that the peksi will corrode very quickly if it is not protected. So some people place a copper pipe over the peksi before attaching the hilt.

[Rick]

Thank you all . :)
I hope to see more examples .

Amuk, I think I have seen these bracelets/armbands originating from Jamaica also , now that you have shown an example . :)

Kai Wee, it is indeed the very devil to carve ; files seem to work best on it 'cause it tends to chip easily .
Polishes like a dream though . ;)

I was unaware that this stuff could be bent into armbands .
Fascinating how it grows with rings like a tree .

[Marcokeris]

Some pics about this kind of hits.
(only one, Ganesha hit, is really very well made)

[Sajen]

Wow, Marco you are a very lucky man to have three hilts from this material, all three are very nice.

sajen

[Gustav]

They all are very beautiful, Marcoceris.

The first one reminds me of some archaical hilts. Is it probably the oldest one of these? The second has (for me) the most beautiful material, each detailed carving would disperse the attention for it.

[Rick]

Marco, you made my day . :D

Thanks so much .
Rick

[VANDOO]

THIS MATERIAL WAS DISCUSSED IN AN OLD POST BY LEE JONES 6,22,2001 TITELED (INFORMATION SOUGHT ON SINGHALESE PHIA KAETTA). YOU MIGHT FIND THE INFORMATION THERE OF USE IN THIS CURRENT DISCUSSION. THE NAME USED FOR THE AKAR BAHAR IS BLACK CORAL. I WOULD ATTACH IT FOR EASE OF ACCESS BUT DON'T KNOW HOW SO A SEARCH OF THE ARCHIVES WILL BRING IT UP.
BEAUTIFUL EXAMPLES YOU ALL HAVE CONGRADULATIONS. :)

[Greybeard]

All coral hilts discussed and shown here are black. Recently I bought a keris with a hilt that is -- according to the seller -- made of white coral. This material is very heavy and looks like marble with some tiny black impurities in it. The hilt is simply but nicely carved in a deman style. I wonder if the black and the white coral are essentially the same (except for the color, of course).

Heinz

[Sajen]

All coral hilts discussed and shown here are black. Recently I bought a keris with a hilt that is -- according to the seller -- made of white coral. This material is very heavy and looks like marble with some tiny black impurities in it. The hilt is simply but nicely carved in a deman style. I wonder if the black and the white coral are essentially the same (except for the color, of course).

Heinz


Hello Heinz,

you can show us a picture from this hilt?

regards,

Detlef

[Greybeard]

Dear Detlef

Thank you for your interest in my hilt. Sorry, but for some technical reason I still cannot post pictures.

Regards,

Heinz

[Alam Shah]

All coral hilts discussed and shown here are black. Recently I bought a keris with a hilt that is -- according to the seller -- made of white coral. This material is very heavy and looks like marble with some tiny black impurities in it. The hilt is simply but nicely carved in a deman style. I wonder if the black and the white coral are essentially the same (except for the color, of course).

HeinzPerhaps you're referring to Kemoh (Tridacna).. (( link (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=5786&highlight=kemoh) ))
See the pictures from the link.. is that what you're referring to? :)

[Greybeard]

Hello Alam Shah

I think you are right. When looking at the pictures from the link you provided, I do indeed realize much similarity between those hilts and my hilt, with the tiny dark spots in the material being nearly identical. The heavy weight seems to be typical of tridacna hilts as well.

Well, as it appears I own a (very expensive!) tridacna hilt instead of a coral hilt! Anyway, it looks nice ...

Regards,

Heinz

[Alam Shah]

... Well, as it appears I own a (very expensive!) tridacna hilt instead of a coral hilt! Anyway, it looks nice ...Well, congrats would be in order then, Heinz.. ;) expensive, rare and fragile too.. so do take care.. :)

[Greybeard]

Thank you, Alam Shah.

By the way, there`s a very interesting post in this thread by BluErf regarding high salt content in coral hilts. Is this true of tridacna hilts as well? So far the pesi of my keris is free of corrosion/rust and well oiled ...

Regards,

Heinz

[Sajen]

Thank you, Alam Shah.

By the way, there`s a very interesting post in this thread by BluErf regarding high salt content in coral hilts. Is this true of tridacna hilts as well? So far the pesi of my keris is free of corrosion/rust and well oiled ...

Regards,

Heinz

Hello Heinz,

I also thought that you have a Tridacna hilt, this have been the reason why I want to see a picture.
Normally it isn't a problem to give a keris a Tridacna hilt, special not in our climate.

Best,

Detlef

[kulbuntet]

Here are a couple of examples of the same material, but different colours.

Black speckled and red; both made as conventional type knife hilts, fittings silver, the stone set in the pommel of the speckled one is a black star.

I've got damascus blades made for these but haven't yet had time to heat treat them.

Actually, when I throw my mind back, these were not made for conventional knives, they were made for those little Bali ceremonial axes, but I decided I'd like to use them as damascus handles.
Alan,

The ceremonial Axes you mean are the sort of Balinese Wedung?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9223/img0867w.jpg

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/7482/img0870csc.jpg

As you can see, the grip is a bit like yours. But missing the top and bottom mounts. Anny idea for resaurations appriciated! Also missing a propper sheath.

[Greybeard]

Thank you, Detlef. In this case I can leave the tridacna hilt on my keris (a very nice old 13-luk Mataram Senopaten blade, by the way) without risking corrosion of the pesi. Actually, I intended to replace the tridacna hilt with a common wooden planar hilt and put the tridacna hilt on display ...

Best regards,

Heinz

[A. G. Maisey]

No Michele, not that, although I guess it could also be used on one of those, but those wedung-like things --- from memory I think they're called pengantas --- are pretty rare. Here's a pic of the type of axe that you see nearly all Balinese men carrying during ceremonies.

[Sajen]

Thank you, Detlef. In this case I can leave the tridacna hilt on my keris (a very nice old 13-luk Mataram Senopaten blade, by the way) without risking corrosion of the pesi. Actually, I intended to replace the tridacna hilt with a common wooden planar hilt and put the tridacna hilt on display ...

Best regards,

Heinz


Like it sounds this will be better, a Jawa Deman hilt isn't good for a javanese blade. Better for a Sumatra blade.

Regards,

Detlef

[kulbuntet]

Hi Alan,

please use the male form of my name, Michel its more easy, you dont have to type the e...lol ;-)

Thanks for posting the pic, i never have seen it before. I did not know the name of the wedung like weapon.. i did know there was a balinese name for it, but couldnt remember it. Do you have any idea of how the mount on the top should look like? The thing is, yes they are rare, once seen one, but much lowere quality than this one... and a sort of one, but not even to talk about quality in that one. So its realy difficult for me to find reference pics.. to get the thing complete.

regards

Michel

Edit/PS btw i realy like the blackisch one.. iff ever for sale, or have other one.. pls let me know :D

[A. G. Maisey]

Please accept my apologies Michel.

In my society your name is uncommon, not to say unknown, but the form I used is quite common, in fact we have a chain of cake shops, started by a man whom I knew perhaps 35 years ago, who spelt his name as I spelt yours in error.

I will try not to err again.

Alan.

[kulbuntet]

Please accept my apologies Michel.

In my society your name is uncommon, not to say unknown, but the form I used is quite common, in fact we have a chain of cake shops, started by a man whom I knew perhaps 35 years ago, who spelt his name as I spelt yours in error.

I will try not to err again.

Alan.
No need for apologies, but accepted, anny way no offence taken. I already had the thought, about the use of my name in other languages... as far i know, only the Dutch, Belgians, French and maybe germans Use the name regular..

But for the showing of good meaning.. I can give you my adress to you to send me the nice blackisch/brownisch one ;) :D

[Greybeard]

Hello Detlef

Many thanks for your suggestion. I already ordered a suitable planar hilt/mendak from Java. I must admit that I so far only have very little knowledge of keris hilts and hilt styles. I started keris collecting last December and concentrated my interest on the blades first ...

Regards,

Heinz

[A. G. Maisey]

Sorry Michel, too late. I've already made a damascus blade for that handle. I still need to heat treat it and mount it, but finished it will be a kard-like knife, that I may use as a steak knife.

[kulbuntet]

Sorry Michel, too late. I've already made a damascus blade for that handle. I still need to heat treat it and mount it, but finished it will be a kard-like knife, that I may use as a steak knife. If you might get your hands on some that would fit the "penganta" and its status..pls let me know. Btw, looking for a sheath too.