Two Pade

[Sajen]

Dear members,

I am happy that I am able to show you my two new friends. Two rare Pade from Ceram.
The first one I swap with a member, sorry Carlos and Ericlaude. :o
It is 68 cm long and 9 mm thick at the base. The end cap of the handle is missing. It have had thick corrosion at the blade and I cleaned it with lemon acid.

[Sajen]

The second one I get from a very good netherlands dealer who do also a superb restore job for the end cap of the handle. ;)
It is 77 cm long and 10 mm thick at the base.

It will be nice to read your comments and when possible to see other Pade from you, thank's in advance.

sajen

[ariel]

Good grief!
There is no end to the variety of shapes and names of Indonesian weapons.
Albert, we need another book, or Vol.2 :-)
Seriously, it seems that every nook and cranny of every village on every speck of an island had its own variant. And I am not talking about Krises.....
In comparison, even Caucasian kindjals look monotonous.

[Maurice]

It will be nice to read your comments and when possible to see other Pade from you, thank's in advance.

sajenHi Sajen,

They are both from dutchmen! :)
I also liked both pade's, but was too late with the last one, and I was negotiating with the first one you depicted in this thread. Happily for you it didn,t come to an agreement.:o
Nice pieces, congratulations!

Maurice

[carlos]

Hi Sajen!!
congratulations for this pair of pade!! They are marvellous, I´m happy to see you are the owner of this piece!!
Thanks
carlos

[Sajen]

Good grief!
There is no end to the variety of shapes and names of Indonesian weapons.
Albert, we need another book, or Vol.2 :-)
Seriously, it seems that every nook and cranny of every village on every speck of an island had its own variant. And I am not talking about Krises.....
In comparison, even Caucasian kindjals look monotonous.

Hello Ariel,

Albert show a few examples in his book at page 70/71, No. 261, 262 and I think that also 270 is a Pade.

sajen

[Sajen]

Hi Sajen,

They are both from dutchmen! :)
I also liked both pade's, but was too late with the last one, and I was negotiating with the first one you depicted in this thread. Happily for you it didn,t come to an agreement.:o
Nice pieces, congratulations!

Maurice


Thank you Maurice.

[Sajen]

Hi Sajen!!
congratulations for this pair of pade!! They are marvellous, I´m happy to see you are the owner of this piece!!
Thanks
carlos

Hi Carlos,

also to you thank you for compliment, maybe the next on market will be your's.

sajen

[VVV]

Nice ones,

I like the Pade and their different variations.
Also they are fun to try out and slash with.
Here are a couple of other variations from Sulawesi and Moluccas/Ceram.

Michael

[Sajen]

Nice ones,

I like the Pade and their different variations.
Also they are fun to try out and slash with.
Here are a couple of other variations from Sulawesi and Moluccas/Ceram.

Michael

Hello Michael,

great examples! Thank you for sharing. One you show me already before. Which one do you think is from Sulawesi? And by what you can see the differents?

Detlef

[Sajen]

There are other members with Pade who like to show them?

sajen

[VVV]

Hello Michael,

great examples! Thank you for sharing. One you show me already before. Which one do you think is from Sulawesi? And by what you can see the differents?

Detlef

Hi Detlef,

I guess the center one, of the three, is from Sulawesi as most of this variation has been collected in SE Sulawesi.
But that´s really hard to say because this sword is in fact ethnic, not regional.

Kind regards,

Michael

[Sajen]

Hi Detlef,

I guess the center one, of the three, is from Sulawesi as most of this variation has been collected in SE Sulawesi.
But that´s really hard to say because this sword is in fact ethnic, not regional.

Kind regards,

Michael

Hi Michael,

the first one I show is from Ceram for sure. What do you guess is the second one from?

Kind regards,

Detlef

[Royston]

Gents

Is this one ?

Had it for a long time but was never sure what it was.

Royston

[Sajen]

Gents

Is this one ?

Had it for a long time but was never sure what it was.

Royston

Hi Royston,

yes, IMO the blade form is typical for a Pade. But I never have seen a handle like this. Maybe Michael know more. Very nice sword! When you ever bore it ......

sajen

[VVV]

My guess is that Deltef´s second one is Moluccan, based on the blade shape.
Roy´s is indeed a pade but I haven´t either seen a handle like that before in any museum or other collection.
Does the handle look to have the same age as the rest of the sword?

Michael

[Maurice]

Interesting thread this turns out to be. Although I have no pade myself (only I have handled some in privat collections of others), I like them very much and in some way I am attracted to the awesome shape of these blades.
Nice pieces Michael and Roy.
I also checked my database and I could neither find a pade with a handle like the one of Roy's pade. It looks like some kind of fish-figure to me.

Maurice

[Sajen]

Hi Royston,

please you can show us a close up from the handle?

sajen

[Royston]

Sajen
Michael
Maurice

Glad you like it. Thanks for the comments.

I will post some more photo's, but I am away from home at work for the next couple of weeks so it will have to wait until I get home.
Sad B that I am I carry a hard drive around with me and it does contain a sample of photo's from my collection but not everything in detail. There is only this one picture of the pade.

Please be patient. I will get back to you.

[VVV]

...Roy´s is indeed a pade but I haven´t either seen a handle like that before in any museum or other collection...

Oops, I forgot to look in my own collection.
I just remember that I have a Pade myself with a resembling hilt of green horn.
That pade is quite late however, maybe from the 70´s.
I will post a picture when back home again.

Michael

[Mytribalworld]

Interesting thread this turns out to be. Although I have no pade myself (only I have handled some in privat collections of others), I like them very much and in some way I am attracted to the awesome shape of these blades.
Nice pieces Michael and Roy.
I also checked my database and I could neither find a pade with a handle like the one of Roy's pade. It looks like some kind of fish-figure to me.

Maurice

Nice thread BTW!
I think the Pade of Royston is a traded blade from South east Celebes and the handle looks into the direction of a Tobelo ( Halmahera,Moluccas) handle.

Arjan.

[VVV]

Here is the late Pade I mentioned above.
Arjan, what´s your source for Tobelo?

Michael

[Mytribalworld]

Here is the late Pade I mentioned above.
Arjan, what´s your source for Tobelo?

Michael

Hi Michael,

A small booklet called Tobelo " De waarde der dingen" about bride gifts in the Mollucan Tobelo culture where a few swords are pictured with more or less the same hilts. I will see if I can find it.

Arjan.

[Sajen]

Hello Arjan and Michael,

I show a picture of this small book from the swords already in this threat:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=8252&highlight=pade

When I look to the sheat from Michael's newer Pade I have to think more to Sulawesi sword sheats.
I sold not long ago a sword (maybe a wall decoration from Indonesia) with a similar hilt.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&item=300312396934

Maybe this hilt form is not unkommon for the region? :confused:

sajen

[VVV]

Then I know which book you mean.
I don´t think the hilts and the swords shown in this book is that close to
Roy´s chopper.
In the Leiden collection there are 2 resembling swords found in Yamdena.
But I haven´t seen any "closer resembling" Roy´s blade- and hilt-wise in Leiden.
On my later chopper I also suspect that it´s SE Sulawesi, both sheath and blade.

Michael

[Mytribalworld]

Pades from Kei Islands

[Sajen]

Pades from Kei Islands


Thank you for sharing Arjan. You can give the resource?

sajen

[Mytribalworld]

Thank you for sharing Arjan. You can give the resource?

sajen

Hi Sajen,

Pleyte, C. M. 1893 Ethnographische atlas van de Zuidwester- en Zuidooster-Eilanden

Arjan.

[Mytribalworld]

Hi Sajen,

Pleyte, C. M. 1893 Ethnographische atlas van de Zuidwester- en Zuidooster-Eilanden

Arjan.

here the Wetar plate.

[Royston]

Gents

Surprised ( and pleased ) at the interest in this one.
It looks like cow or buffalo horn to me.

Here are some more photographs

Roy

[Sajen]

Gents

Surprised ( and pleased ) at the interest in this one.
It looks like cow or buffalo horn to me.

Here are some more photographs

Roy

Hi Roy,

very nice Pade you have there. The patina of the handle is very good and the guard of the handle is typic for a Pade what I have seen until now. It seems to be from black horn. The handle byself is IMHO from white water buffalo horn, a rare material.
Again, a very nice and unusual Pade.

sajen