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ariel
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posted 01-11-2004 16:47     Click Here to See the Profile for ariel   Click Here to Email ariel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Yataghan with this inscription. It does not look Arabic and a friend from India also could not read it. Any help?
Thanks in advance.

[This message has been edited by Lee Jones (edited 01-11-2004).]

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Antiques
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posted 01-13-2004 12:11     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiques   Click Here to Email Antiques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ariel,

To me this looks more like a mark owner/smiths than an inscription.
I cant recall to have seen any letters like this before.

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ariel
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posted 01-13-2004 23:47     Click Here to See the Profile for ariel   Click Here to Email ariel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Doesn't it look like Devnagiri?
Check the website here for alphabets: the last (on the Rt) sign looks just like a numeral 9
www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/Ref6.htm

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Antiques
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posted 01-14-2004 08:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiques   Click Here to Email Antiques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know, it could also be 1 or 2, try to have a look at this page.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/atoz.htm

Does the hilt, or anything else indicate that it is from India?
There are, as you well know many alphabets in use in India, and even more dialects, and on top of this comes, that many of the inscriptions are abbreviated, which can make it close to impossible to translate an inscription. It is however interesting as well as important, to be able to direct an inscription to a certain area.

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ariel
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posted 01-14-2004 15:38     Click Here to See the Profile for ariel   Click Here to Email ariel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No, there is nothing to suugest Indian features.
It is a rather plain Yataghan with a horn T-handle. No other symbols or inscriptions, and the scabbard is a replacement one.
I have another one just like it (with Arabic date and some symbols/inscriptions) and always thoughr (with Artzi's blessing) that the straight-T type handle was an indication of the Eastern Ottoman (Syrian? Kurdish?) origin.
But the inscription baffles me. Whether it is a name (owner? maker?) or even a date is not very important for me now: I just want to know what language we are talking about!!!!!!!!

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Antiques
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posted 01-14-2004 16:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiques   Click Here to Email Antiques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes I understand what you mean, it is getting to me too, I would also like to know what these markings mean. My best guess today is a kind of ‘heraldic’ marking, but I will have to sleep on it, the maybe – but only maybe I will get a better idea.

Jens

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ariel
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posted 01-14-2004 17:09     Click Here to See the Profile for ariel   Click Here to Email ariel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sweet dreams.
Hope you get some kind of revelation or Freudian hidden memory.....

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Antiques
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posted 01-15-2004 05:44     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiques   Click Here to Email Antiques     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It did not help much to sleep on it, other than I am not tired now, but when I got up I had a mail from a friend, suggesting that it could be Mkhedruli, an alphabet used in Georgia. Try to have a look at the link I gave you, there you will find the Mkhedruli alphabet.
It is not always the writing on a blade looks like the printed letters, as the one making the inscription often could not read, and had to make the inscription after a drawing. If the one who made the drawing was not too good in writing, the inscription would, from the start look different from what it should have done, and could very well in the end look quite different.

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