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Fabian
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posted 09-09-2002 09:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Fabian   Click Here to Email Fabian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wonder if the use of meteoritic pamor first started by court empus in the early 19th. century .I guess it all began much earlier.In China they started to use meteoritic iron long before Christ and there were commercial relations between China and Indonesia long before the prambanan meteorite hit the ground:
http://staff.hum.ku.dk/dbwagner/EARFE/EARFE.html

Donald B. Wagner:
"The earliest evidence of the use of iron in the area of Shang and Zhou culture consists of bronze axeheads of several kinds with cast-in edges of meteoritic iron . All seem likely to be of the Shang or early Western Zhou period (11th century BC).The bronze parts of these artefacts are clearly Chinese. There is room for the supposition that the iron parts were imports from elsewhere, but very little reason for it. More likely there were Chinese smiths in the Shang and early Zhou who hot-forged meteoritic iron and produced small edges to be cast into bronze axes and other edged weapons. Meteoritic iron is usually fairly hard, and these bronze-iron weapons are likely to have been superior to weapons of bronze alone, but meteoritic iron is so rare that these must always have been uncommon luxury items. We do not know whether these smiths developed their techniques themselves or learned them from elsewhere. The probability of independent invention seems high, but I have no information at all on the use of meteoritic iron in early Central Asia"


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nechesh
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posted 09-09-2002 20:30     Click Here to See the Profile for nechesh   Click Here to Email nechesh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This certainly would be an earlier date for the use on meteorites in forged blades. But given this quote from your sited text, i think it would be unlikely to become a trade commodity:
> Meteoritic iron is usually fairly hard, and >these bronze-iron weapons are likely to >have been superior to weapons of
>bronze alone, but meteoritic iron is so
>rare that these must always have been >uncommon luxury items.
I'm not sure if anyone has suggested that the use of meteorites actually began in Java. But while the actual meteoric ore may not have been a Chinese import, perhaps the technology was.

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not2sharp
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posted 09-21-2002 12:05     Click Here to See the Profile for not2sharp   Click Here to Email not2sharp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This came up on another thread but it probably is a better fit here.

This is a closeup of the surface of an odd (possibly a very small - 5.5 inch blade -Dah) ivory mounted knife. It has been suggested that this metal might be meteorite. I didn't pay much attention to that until I tried to clean the blade. The dark areas of the blade are not as pitted as they look below. They feel fairly smooth to the touch. Instead the surface appears almost translucent, with the pitting? well below the surface.

My first impression was that it may have been an impurity in the steel that had crytalized, a patina, or even a resin, that someone may have applied and polished, but it seems to cover the entire surface and the effect is too clean. Perhaps it's an optical illusion like the 3-D posters.

Has anyone come across anything like this, and is this possibly meteorite?

n2s

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