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manteris1
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posted 10-22-2001 21:45     Click Here to See the Profile for manteris1   Click Here to Email manteris1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would like to welcome Mr. Van Zonneveld to the forum, we have all been waiting for his book and here he is on the forum.................jimmy

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Conogre
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posted 10-22-2001 23:59     Click Here to See the Profile for Conogre   Click Here to Email Conogre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to the group, completely and wholeheartedly.

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DAHenkel
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posted 10-23-2001 08:47     Click Here to See the Profile for DAHenkel   Click Here to Email DAHenkel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is a picture on page 9 of David van Duuren's The Kris - An Earthly Approach to a Cosmic Symbol of a marvelous keris with a sheath and hilt made of really neat akar bahar. Too bad its not in color.

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tom hyle
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posted 10-23-2001 11:05     Click Here to See the Profile for tom hyle   Click Here to Email tom hyle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone know any more about the process of heating and bending black coral? Is it heated with water?

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VANDOO
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posted 10-23-2001 11:42     Click Here to See the Profile for VANDOO   Click Here to Email VANDOO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BLACK CORAL IS FLEXIBLE LIKE TREE BRANCHES AND WILL SPRING BACK TO ITS ORIGINAL SHAPE. I SUSPECT THAT THEY BOIL IT AND SHAPE IT AND WHEN IT COOLS IT WILL RETAIN THAT NEW SHAPE. I HAVE NEVER DONE IT , SO I AM JUST GUESSING I WILL HAVE TO TAKE A HACK SAW ALONG NEXT TIME I GO DIVING WHERE IT LIVES AND GET SOME TO EXPERIMENT ON.

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Conogre
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posted 10-23-2001 12:46     Click Here to See the Profile for Conogre   Click Here to Email Conogre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The "black coral" is an octocoral, smaller more familiar members to many being the sea whip and the sea fan. Whereas true corals have "skeletons" of calcium, the octocorals have flexible sleletons made of a substance very similar to horn or wood when dried, and shaping it when heated in boiling water, then fixing it in that shape until dried definitely works....I tried it with a couple of old sea whip skeletons to make sure.**grin**

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VANDOO
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posted 10-31-2001 01:30     Click Here to See the Profile for VANDOO   Click Here to Email VANDOO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
THERE IS CURRENTLY A SWORD ON EBAY #1026072830 LISTED AS 19 CENTURY MOROCCAN NIMCHA. THE REASON I MENTION IT HERE IS BECAUSE THE HORN HANDLE HAS BEGUN TO TURN DARK AND HAS A REDDISH TRANSLUCENCE. I AM CURRENTLY STUDYING THE GRIPS OFF A VERY OLD PIHA KAETTA AND THEY ARE SOME KIND OF HORN AND ARE A LOT DARKER AND OLDER THAN THE SPECIMEN MENTIONED ABOVE. I STILL HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MAKE A POSITIVE ID ON WHAT KIND OF HORN YET.

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Conogre
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posted 10-31-2001 08:55     Click Here to See the Profile for Conogre   Click Here to Email Conogre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good point, and Pierre's ecellent close-up photos may well provide the answer here...while the large majority or horn-hilted weapons utilize oxen or buffalo(carabao) horn, this one appears to be antelope, considering the region, quite possibly oryx.
Look closely and yo'll see indicatiions of a slightly raised cross pattern in the horn, frequently found on arabian oryx and it N. African relative, the Sable antelope.....unless I'm mistaken, these were frequently viewed as a "royal" animal in N Africa and the Arabian peninsula due to their size, speed and sweeping horns....these were reputed to be favored as prey while utilizing cheetah's in the hunt, also a sign of royal pursuit.

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VANDOO
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posted 12-04-2002 00:10     Click Here to See the Profile for VANDOO   Click Here to Email VANDOO     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I BOUGHT A PIHA THAT WAS IN BAD SHAPE TO TAKE APART FOR STUDY. THE FOLDED STEEL BLADE IS CARVED ALONG THE SIDES OF THE TANG AND AT THE FORTE, METAL IS THEN HAMMERED INTO SHAPE AND ATTACHED (I SUSPECT IT IS SODERED ON BUT COULDN'T TELL FOR SURE)USUALLY TWO CAST BRASS DECORATIVE PIECES ARE ATTACHED WITH A PIN VIA A HOLE THRU THE BLADE. TWO SCALES OF (IVORY, BLACK CORAL,ECT) ARE ATTACHED WITH 3 PINS TO THE GRIP, THERE ARE ALSO TWO THIN PIECES OF HORN THAT GO BETWEEN THE TANG AND THE GRIP SCALES. ON SOME EXAMPLES THERE IS A POMMEL CAP USUALLY SILVER IT IS ATTACHED WITH 4 SMALL PINS IN THE GRIP SCALES PLUS THERE IS A SHORT STEEL PIN COMMING OFF THE TANG THAT PASSES THRU THE CAP AND IS SECURED WITH A SMALL METAL CAP. THERE ARE TWO DISTINCT BLADE TYPES AMOUNG MY EXAMPLES, TYPE ONE HAS A HEAVY CHOPPING BLADE WITH A DOWN TURNED POINT, TYPE TWO HAS A STRAIGHT BACK AND A SHARP POINT. I HAVE SENT SOME PICTURES TO LEE FOR POSTING.

[This message has been edited by Lee Jones (edited 12-05-2002).]

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Lee Jones
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posted 12-05-2002 06:49     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee Jones   Click Here to Email Lee Jones     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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justin
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posted 12-07-2002 21:59     Click Here to See the Profile for justin   Click Here to Email justin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow,even in poor condition,it looks like a cool knife,I especially love the tang,I always though of rivets as a European and Arabic thing,nice to know that they were used farther east.

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Conogre
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posted 12-08-2002 02:26     Click Here to See the Profile for Conogre   Click Here to Email Conogre     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
As Justin says, even in poor condition a beautiful piece.....while I doubt I'll ever be able to add one to my humble pieces, rest assured, there is an envious sigh coming from Florida each time another is pictured/mentioned.

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justin
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posted 12-08-2002 08:52     Click Here to See the Profile for justin   Click Here to Email justin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two envious sighs.But Mike,you managed to get a katsane,I would be willing to bet that youll find a piha eventually.

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Andrew
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posted 12-08-2002 09:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Andrew   Click Here to Email Andrew     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mike. We've all seen some of the gifts you've aquired. I agree with Justin: someday, someway...

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not2sharp
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posted 11-29-2003 00:13     Click Here to See the Profile for not2sharp   Click Here to Email not2sharp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BTTT,

Another year has gone by, and information on these knives remains elusive. Has anyone come across new information/resources/links?

n2s

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